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12363 James Albert Shaw


ralphjd

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Any East Lancs Pals out there who can shed any light on this man. Know nothing about him at all apart from the usual CWGC/SDGW/SOLDIERS EFFECTS. No age, parents, wife , siblings - nothing. Anything to add would be gratefully accepted. Ralph.

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Full Name: James Albert Shaw

Notes: K Oct 23/16 DetD/B R/Enq

Enquiry Date: 20 Jul 1917 Regiment: East Lancashire Regiment Battalion: 2

Regiment Number: 12363

Company: A Platoon: IV

Theater: BEF Missing Or Wounded Date: 23 Oct 1916 Conflict Period: World War I Served For: United Kingdom

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Somme, fighting at Albert and La Boiselle, culminating in an attack at Guadacourt on 23rd October 1916, where the German front line trench was captured.
The conditions under which the attack on the 23rd October 1916 was carried out were most trying; a difficult approach march to the attack positions, the worst of weather; deep poisonous mud everywhere, a postponement of the attack at the last minute—than which nothing is more trying to the nerves —and last, but not least, there was no attack by the troops on either flank.
On the two following days and nights the captured trench was consolidated, and communication trenches were dug from "Mild" to "Shine" trench, and from "Rainbow" trench to the sunken road. All this work was carried out under great difficulties, due to very bad weather, enemy artillery fire, and the shortage of rations.
On the night of the 25th/26th October 1916 the battalion was relieved by the 1st Worcestershire; two nights later it relieved the 2nd Northants on the right sector, where it was relieved by a battalion of the 17th Division on the night of the 30th/31st October 1916. This was a particularly difficult relief, carried out in pitch darkness and in pouring rain which turned trenches into torrents of water and the open country into a swamp. Relief was not completed until 3 a.m., and the rest camp at Montauban was not reached until 8 a.m. on the 31st 1October 1916.
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On 27/06/2019 at 11:29, ralphjd said:

apart from the usual CWGC/SDGW/SOLDIERS EFFECTS

Who were the beneficiaries ? (I don't have Ancestry)

 

Charlie

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I note he was wounded in 1915:

Dundee Evening Telegraph 05 May 1915 Reports 'arrived Dundee today' incl  12363 Pte J Shaw 1st Bn., wounded, direct from the fighting line at Ypres..

....But I haven't found this leads to anything useful re family.

 

Is there any claim in the WFA Pension Records ?

 

Charlie

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Hi,

 

1 hour ago, charlie962 said:

Who were the beneficiaries ?

 

His mother - Annie Marsden (sole leg.). Presumably remarried by June 1917, when the first money order was issued.

 

Regards

Chris

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2 hours ago, ATNOMIS said:

This off Ancestry??

 

 

Name:

James Albert Shaw
Registration Year: 1893
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Bolton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 405

Mothers maiden name was Shaw, so potentially a single parent.

 

Additionally, may be co-incidental, but the death of a James Albert Shaw, aged 1, was recorded in the Bolton District in the January to March quarter of 1895.

 

Cheers,

Peter

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Hello from Rochdale Local Studies

Myself and one of my colleagues have failed to find any mention of James Albert Shaw either in the Rochdale Observer or on the census living in Rochdale after 1871.

Tom (my colleague) has found a James Shaw born in Rochdale in 1866 living at No 3 Roger Square in the Parish of Spotland with a father Thomas, mother Jane and sister Annie but he cannot find them after this date. As he enlisted in Darwen we seem to think he must have been living in that general area.

Tom managed to find his register of effects on Ancestry.com which listed Annie Marsden as sole legacy, we were trying to work out if the Annie on the 1871 census (sister) was in fact this Annie but we couldn’t find any concrete evidence.

Sorry we couldn’t help on this occasion.

Kind regards

Rochdale Local Studies staff

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Hi

In 1915 the Darwen News published week by week a Roll of Honour of men who enlisted. Apart from names the lists included addresses and regiment. There is an entry for a James Albert Shaw of 14 Highfield Road and he joined the East Lancashire Regiment. Sadly there was no Shaw at that address on the 1911 census. However in 1917 the Darwen News 20 Oct 1917 reported a death for a Albert James Marsden who lived at the same address. I will check this when I am in the library today

Tony

 

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Hi

 

The following is taken from the Darwen News:

 

Darwen News, Saturday, October 20,1917

 

Private A J Marsden

 

Private Albert James Marsden, late of 14 Highfield Road, Darwen, who has been reported wounded and missing since October 23rd 1916, is now officially reported killed on that Date. He enlisted in 1914 and was previously employed in Belgrave Mills. He was a member of the Darwen Borough Band and attended Highfield Sunder school. Deceased was 21 years of age.

I am unable to find a death for the above on the CWGC site and I would if this could be James Albert Shaw? If so I have attached an image. I welcome your comments

 

Tony

 

Marsden, Albert James.jpg

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Tony.  Put yourself forward for a medal of some sort " The Finders Award Medal" brilliant piece of work.Thanks so much - gaps filled in this mans record. Very much appreciated Thanks again. Ralph.

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Ralph

 

Thanks. This man has puzzled me for sometime. As I am developing a database of the Darwen men and women who lst their lives in WW1 and I could never place him. I would appreciate any information you might have on him

Tony

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Tony. Apart from all the valuable information you have provided we know absolutely nothing about this lad, apart from the usual as stated. Ralph.

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