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Boyd
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Hello - I Do hope some one can assist me with this query -

 

I am doing some research on a 416360 Pte. Francis Curran  originally from Belfast who served with 5th Canadian Mounted Rifles and was killed in action on the 1/2 October 1916 at Battle of the Ancre Heights.

 

I have attached a copy of what appears to be his medal card from the Canadian Library and archives.

 

My question is this, why would he have been deemed as "Not Eligible" for a medal issue as annotated on the record below - any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated 

 

Thank you in anticipation.

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Andrew Upton

Star refers to either the 1914 or 1914-15 Star. So he is not eligible if he only served overseas from 1916 or later. He is still eligible for the British War Medal and Victory Medal.

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Boyd
1 minute ago, Andrew Upton said:

Star refers to either the 1914 or 1914-15 Star. So he is not eligible if he only served overseas from 1916 or later. He is still eligible for the British War Medal and Victory Medal.

Thank yio that would have been my understanding as he missed the 15 star dates how can I confirm if these were issued or not as it appears from the paper evidence they were not? 

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Boyd
3 minutes ago, ss002d6252 said:

Thank you for the URL Craig that is where I got the "Medal Card" details from I just wonder why it was deemed he was not eligible for either the BWM and The VM  seems a bit sad as he was actually Killed in Action

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Andrew Upton
2 minutes ago, Boyd said:

Thank you for the URL Craig that is where I got the "Medal Card" details from I just wonder why it was deemed he was not eligible for either the BWM and The VM  seems a bit sad as he was actually Killed in Action

 

As I said, he was eligible - the quote marks below "eligible for" which aren't repeated below the "Not" show this. 

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Boyd
2 minutes ago, Andrew Upton said:

 

As I said, he was eligible - the quote marks below "eligible for" which aren't repeated below the "Not" show this. 

Ahaaa I see what you are saying the shorthand is stating that he was in fact eligible for the other two medals that would make sense. Thank you so very much, a fresh pair of eyes never goes amiss - Is there any method or contact point where I could confirm if they where actually ever issued? 

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ss002d6252
8 minutes ago, Boyd said:

Ahaaa I see what you are saying the shorthand is stating that he was in fact eligible for the other two medals that would make sense. Thank you so very much, a fresh pair of eyes never goes amiss - Is there any method or contact point where I could confirm if they where actually ever issued? 

If it was the same as the UK then they were issued automatically.

 

Craig

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tullybrone
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Hi,

 

Proof of issue of the medals is the document at P19 of the service records. That document shows his service details plus details of his qualifying date for service in France and a reference to the Medal Rolls at the bottom of the page - believe it or not the hand written “squiggles” on the top right and left of the document indicates the medals were issued:mellow:

 

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/Pages/read-medal-card.aspx

 

Steve

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PaddyO

Rather than his Medal Index Card is this in fact the index card for the Memorial Plaque and Scroll sent out to next of kin? Here it seems to record despatch dates for both to his sister in 1921.

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tullybrone
1 minute ago, PaddyO said:

Rather than his Medal Index Card is this in fact the index card for the Memorial Plaque and Scroll sent out to next of kin? Here it seems to record despatch dates for both to his sister in 1921.

 

As per the LAC link I attached to my last post the “squiggle” - officially called a check mark - indicates the Medal was sent out.

 

Steve

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PaddyO

Sorry Steve I don't think you understood my point..

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Boyd

Thanks guys I appreciate all the sound advice I guess the best bet is to get replica medals as 

he originals will be long gone by nor any recommendations for suppliers ? 

Thanks again in anticipation 

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Boyd

Just a little update for those interested I was actually ble to purchase a genuine set of matching medals on eBay for £40 that is cheaper that the current replicas that re on offer which wen you think of it is actually very sad. This set belonged to a 2919 Gnr A Seavers RA - I was also able to get a 5th C.M.R tu in button so I think I should be able to make a nice memorial framed set with these and a replica Death Penny and Scroll. Would have loved to geofence a cap-badge but they seem to be like hens teeth. Once again thank you for the assistance you have given me. 

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