10th Battalion Lovat Scouts QOCHs

[Ronauld. Franklin Cameron]

I am very interested in the Salonika campaign. My Grandfather Private Edward Cameron served both in Gallipoli and then Salonika along with  his brother Alexander . They were both in formerly in the Lovat Scouts and then the 10th battalion of The Queens Own Cameron Highlanders. I understand they both contracted Malaria while in the Balkans. I have scant information other than his medals I purchased a microfiche from the War office from and his discharge paper. I'm thinking he may have served under Sergeant Sutherland who was aforementioned in the threads I read. Any information about my Grandfather and his Brother will be greatly appreciated.  I am attaching files with some information about his military service.

[Mark1959]

There is a WFA Pension Ledger card for Edward. This shows he was discharged on 19/2/19 due to malaria attributable to his service.Address on card is in Springburn, Glasgow

https://www.fold3.com/image/643151510

There is an Alexamder Cameron 225089 - possibly the brother.

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[Ronauld. Franklin Cameron]

Thank you he and his Brother Alexander lived in Springburn and yes he contracted Malaria while in Salonika as I have been told. They lived on Wellfield St in the 1920s before immigrating  to the U.S. in 1926. The photograph below of Lovat Scouts / Camerons states the Soldiers are not identified with Gordon Griffith. The 2 soldiers one with his hands on the shoulders of the other are my Grandfather Edward and Alexander. I don't know how to convey this to others interested but my Mother stated without a doubt these are her Father and Uncle and as I have been able to compare this photo to others the facial features do match.

 

[Waddell]

Interesting photograph there Ronauld. It looks like the group just won a shooting prize. Any date or location on that photograph?

 

Scott

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[Ronauld. Franklin Cameron]

I found no date and yes it appears to be a shooting prize. I was going through photographs on a Queen's Own Cameron Website and found this. I realized in this picture was my Grandfather and the soldier under him is his brother. I matched them to photographs I have of them later in life and my Mother stated this is her Dad. I believe it is a training photo from East Anglia most likely Norfolk. I know my Grandfather did some mounted parades too because there was a story of a horse he was riding spooking in a crowd and he had a devil of a time restraining the horse. Also in Egypt he was riding a mule during a reconnaissance which took a bullet in the neck meant for him  the mule miraculously survived. Most of the information I got from my Mother and his youngest Brother Tommy. Grandfather would never talk of the War.

[Waddell]

Ronauld,

 

It would worth your while buying a copy of Michael Melville's book 'Lovat Scouts 1900-1980' as it covers all their movements during the war.

 

The Lovat Scouts did spend some time in Norfolk between April and September 1915, that is probably from where the mounted parade story originates.

 

See here-

 

 https://lovatscoutresearch.weebly.com/

 

https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-british-yeomanry-regiments-of-1914-1918/1st-lovats-scouts-yeomanry/

 

https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-british-yeomanry-regiments-of-1914-1918/2nd-lovats-scouts-yeomanry/

 

The Lovat Scouts were not formed into the 10th (Lovat Scouts Bn) Cameron Highlanders until late September 1916, before they left for Salonika.

 

The photograph does show an officer and two sergeants of the Lovat Scouts, what looks like an instructor next to the officer, and the kilted men are Cameron Highlanders. The photograph I suspect was taken a later into the war (possibly towards the end of the war). 

 

Have you searched if their records are available? I managed to find my great uncle's service records and he served in a similar time frame to your grandfather.

 

And yes, suffering from malaria and its effects was very common for the men who served in Salonika.

 

Scott

 

 

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[Ronauld. Franklin Cameron]

Thank you again. I will purchase Michael Melville's book . 

Cheers,

Ron Cameron

 

 

[Rob Bulloch]

Ronauld. There is a  very small narrative regarding the 10th. Lovat's Scouts Battalion. in the "Historical Records of the Cameron Highlanders" Stating. It would have given us great pleasure to have included in these War Records of the Cameron Highlanders some account of the work of the Lovat's Scouts during the period in which they figured in the Army List as our 10th. Battalion, but, as they have furnished us with no particulars, we can only refer for some appreciation of there doings to the story to the story of the fighting of the 27th Division as given in history of the 2nd Battalion. The official list published by the War Office shows that during these Macedonian operations the 10th. (Lovat's Scouts) Battalion of the Cameron Highlanders lost 29 NCO's and men killed 13 died of wounds. and 16 died-total 58. Edward Cameron is mentioned on the Roll of Honour of the 10th Cameron Highlanders..

Rob B.

[Ronauld. Franklin Cameron]

Hello Rob and Thank you. Is there a web link to this small Narrative from the Historical records? 

Cheers,

Ron. Cameron

[Rob Bulloch]

Not that I am aware of Ronauld. But If you give me a day or two I will type it out, and post it on the GWF. it is only a page and a bit, and you have the most relevant part already.

Cheers Rob.B. 

[Ronauld. Franklin Cameron]

Rob,

You are most kind !

Cheers,

Ron. C.

[Rob Bulloch]

War Narrative.

Of the 10^th. (Lovat’s Scouts) Battalion.

 

In the Autumn of 1916, as infantry regiments were required rather than mounted men, the 1^st and 2^nd Regiments of the Scottish Horse, then at Abbassiyeh, Cairo, were amalgamated to form a Battalion, which for official administrative purposes was designated, from 15^th of October of that year, as the 13^th (Scottish Horse) Battalion of the Black Watch. Similarly and at the same time the 1^st and 2^nd Regiments of Lovat’s Scouts , then also in Egypt ( after service at Gallipoli) together with one company of the 3^rd Scottish Horse, were formed into a battalion called the 10^th (Lovat’s Scouts) Battalion of the Cameron Highlanders. In each case the men of these two regiments were transferred to the Black and Camerons respectively whilst the officers  were only attached to these infantry formations.

The new units proceeded from Egypt to Macedonia, where the 10^{th .} Battalion Cameron Highlanders was incorporated with the 27^th Division, of which our 2^{nd .} Battalion Camerons  formed part and it remained in that country from late Autumn 1916 until the spring of 1918. In June it moved to France, and there took over duties from the other personnel of Lovat’s Scouts employed in doing observation work for various Army Corps. Both these Regiments, though thus affiliated to the Black Watch and Cameron Highlanders and styled in all official correspondence and records as 13^th. Black Watch and 10^th. Cameron Highlanders respectively , had permission to retain their own uniforms and badges and continued to be  known generally, as before  as the Scottish Horse and the Lovat’s Scouts.

 

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[Ronauld. Franklin Cameron]

Rob,

 

Thank you!

 

Cheers,

Ron. C.

[Deborah]

Hello,

My grandfather was also a Lovat Scout 10th Battalion - Cameron Highlander in the Great War.  He suffered malaria as well, it seems a few times according to his record.  I am first generation American and don’t have access to more than Ancestry.com can offer as family has passed.  I can attach his record.  I am very interested in his experiences as a former US Marine myself. Any information would be helpful.  There is a soldier that greatly resembles my family above - the second from left in the front row.  Sadly, I have no one to confirm.

 

Thank you!

Deb B

[Deborah]

Here’s a bit of his record.

Thanks,

Deb

[Deborah]

My dad on left and right photo.  The soldier in above pic in middle.  

 

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[Waddell]

Deborah,

 

2B Balkans on his Medal Index Card indicates that he first served at Gallipoli.

 

Have a search through the Lovat's Scouts threads on the forum. Plenty of information and mentions of books concerning their history. There seem to be a few descendants of Lovat's on the forum recently.

 

Scott

[Ronauld. Franklin Cameron]

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It appears Andrew Alexander then served with my Grandfather Edward Cameron and my Grandfather's Brother Alexander Cameron. I am thinking this Photo was taken in France towards the Wars end as Old Sweats has stated:"I suspect was taken a later into the war possibly towards the end of the war" I also have Edwards Short Service form here.