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Pattern 1903 Bayonet - Indian Markings?

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22SqnRAE

G'Day Folks,

 

First post here, so go easy if I sound like an idiot (many years of practice... :huh:) for asking a question which I'm sure you've all seen before. "What do you make of the markings on my bayonet?"

 

Now I've canvassed some usual References, and tried on line too, but the combination isn't quite there yet.

 

I make the markings to be:

 

2. G.  I (or numeral 1?)

336

 

I'm thinking from my piecing together of notes (including Ian Skennerton's advice) that this bayonet:

  1. Was probably in Indian Army service (because of the green paint and that they loved the P'03 over the P'07)
  2. The 2 G probably means Second Gurkha Rifles (2nd King Edward VII's Own Gurkha Rifles, The Sirmoor Rifles)
  3. Wondering if the "I" (or numeral '1") was the Battalion or Infantry, meaning the wallah doing the stamping decided that 2G I (infantry) was easier than hammering in 2/1. G.R. - a saving of 3 hammer and die strikes?

Happy to be completely wrong in my assessment, but would gratefully appreciate your guidance as to the likely Unit owner of this bayonet.

 

Thank you for your time and comments.

 

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shippingsteel

This marking should be for the 2nd Battalion of the Guides Infantry which was a relatively prestigious regiment of the Indian Army. The 2nd Battalion was a wartime unit which was raised in 1917 and continued on in service after the war.

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22SqnRAE

SS,

 

Thank you, that's a great piece of information and history. The Guides Infantry and Cavalry seem to have missed out in Skennerton's  The Broad Arrow, presumably because of the Partition rendered them no longer part of the British Army.

 

The Second Guides Bn does make a lot more sense, hence the 2. G. I.

 

What is the relevance of the green paint on the pommel? Another sub-continental idiosyncrasy in corrosion protection?

 

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shippingsteel

See page 112 in the Broad Arrow, the listing shows the regiment under C.G.I., but you do have to allow for the vagaries of "time period". We don't know how they were marking their weaponry at the time this bayonet was issued. The green paint is often referred to as a "corrosion protection" measure, but who knows when it was applied.

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On 06/06/2019 at 07:04, 22SqnRAE said:

... First post here, so go easy if I sound like an idiot (many years of practice... :huh:) for asking a question which I'm sure you've all seen before. "What do you make of the markings on my bayonet?"

 

Welcome to GWF! And don't worry, some of us here will freely admit that we are still learning about our favourite subjects! So, no such thing as a idiot question, especilly not this interesting piece.

 

Guides Infantry Regiment makes sense although I have never seen a list of Indian unit markings - but "GUIDES INFY" was the official abbreviation used on on the edge of the WW1 medals awarded to its members.

 

Green paint - to cover up the shiny bits I always thought! Just as with German Feldgrau. 

 

If you want to know more, I strongly suggest you get a copy of M.Rose, 12 inches of imperial steel in the service of the Raj: sword bayonets pattern 1888 and 1903 in Indian service (2016?). Order from Michael direct, e-mail:fam.rose5@bigpond.com

 

It's expensive with the postage, but well worth it - the standard reference work on the subject!

 

Trajan

 

(MODS - not an agent for M.Rose)

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Posted (edited)

Everyone has, quite rightly, focused on the unit markings of this bayonet; however, it is also worth noting that with a date of November 1906, this is a relatively late Patt.’03, since the Patt. ’07 was introduced in January 1908. Since the royal cipher is very faint, and I can’t see the tip of the pommel, I can’t tell whether it was made as an ‘03 or a conversion from ‘88. The faintness of the cipher and the strength of the ‘1903’ stamp makes me think it’s a conversion, although 11/06 would make it a late conversion.

 

Nigel.

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trajan

Well spotted!

 

And this one is even later... Feb 07... Spotted in Sheffield on a P.1903 issued to a RE unit - I'll get all the other details up later...

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