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PrussianGarde
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I came across this on eBay and don’t know what it is.

 

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Gardenerbill

The first one you put up originally looked like a bit like an Iron Cross Signet ring.

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PrussianGarde

It was a repro so I put up a new one

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AOK4

It looks like a typical patriotic ring with the German flag.

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PrussianGarde

Did soldiers normally wear these and does this look legitimate

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FROGSMILE
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An interesting item.  Wouldn’t a patriotic ring be more likely to bear an Imperial Eagle?  I had thought that Bismarck’s creation of a unified German State used the Eagle to draw everyone together under the crown rather than a tricolour style flag, which has more Republican undertones.

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AOK4
41 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said:

An interesting item.  Wouldn’t a patriotic ring be more likely to bear an Imperial Eagle?  I had thought that Bismarck’s creation of a unified German State used the Eagle to draw everyone together under the crown rather than a tricolour style flag, which has more Republican undertones.

 

It is the imperial flag: black - white - red, not the republican flag: black - red - yellow!

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FROGSMILE
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34 minutes ago, AOK4 said:

 

It is the imperial flag: black - white - red, not the republican flag: black - red - yellow!

 

I understood that it was black-white-red, and that that was the WW1 era flag.  I just meant that to use a tricolour (of any kind) was more in a Republican style of doing things and that a German patriot of that period would perhaps be more likely to display an Imperial Eagle.  It was just a query really?

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GreyC
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Hi Frogsmile,

as far as I can say from my collecting experience etc. to wave/show the national German flag was as patriotic as displaying Iron Crossses, wearing the Kaiser´s mustache (especially if male) or utilizing the imperial eagle. On postcards of that time you´ll find it all and it seems to have been regarded all the same. Here an example of a patriotic card with text from the national anthym, His Majesty and  a soldier in the "Bunter Rock" holding the national flag. The sender wrote on it: Baldiger Sieg = Speedy victory.

Best,

GreyC

PS: The ring could be a patriotic piece of (cheap) jewelry, it could also be a ring with the colors of a student association of which there were many around at that time.

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FROGSMILE

Thank you, Grey C, that’s interesting and makes sense the more I think about it.  I suppose it’s rather like the then attitude in Britain regarding the Union Flag and Crown symbology. 

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GreyC
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Hi Frogsmile,

silly me forgot the most important thing: the imperial eagle, was the PRUSSIAN eagle. That´s why the infantry had different crests on their Picklehauben, depending on the state the troops were from (Prussian=Prussian Eagle, Bavarians=Bavarian crest, etc.) The NATIONAL symbol was the red white black cockade and the national flag. So you´d go back to those symbols if you were keen on displaying national pride. If you´d demonstrate Prussian sentiment, you´d resort to the eagle. As commander in chief of the German Army in war time (and in war time only) Kaiser Wilhelm had two personal Standarten (flags) that were shown depending on his role. Both looked similar. One was colored red and had the eagle and the Prussian crown, the other yellow with eagle and Kaiserkrone. Both with Iron Cross.

Good photos of these flags in use are hard to find. Here is a semi-good example. KWII handing out medals. In the back of him his personal flag-bearer. It will probably be the yellow flag, as he will have acted in his function as CIC.

GreyC

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Just for the heck of it I have attached a few details of helmets from different contingents of the German Army. Baden, Bayern, Hamburg, Preußen.

Whereas Baden, Bayern an Prussia had their own crest, the Hamburg contingent sported the Prussian crest, but showed the state cockade a red Hanseatic cross. Nerd stuff, I know :rolleyes:

GreyC

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FROGSMILE

Thank you, Grey C, you have explained the policy and protocol very well.

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PrussianGarde
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Did many soldiers wear patriotic ring and if so, which were the most common ones? Also, does this look like a standard patriotic ring?

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PrussianGarde

I have also found another ring apparently trench art. What do u guys think?04E11E62-B47D-4EF8-878E-65139B1F3BEB.png.04e4a2e2a8f3f827c28aae5c5cd9c5e1.pngFE35D403-79BA-415A-85E1-BF21B9224E8F.png.2ba8c4d7a2884a3a1bc9c396968099bc.png

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AOK4

I'd say that's some kind of modern fabrication.

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PrussianGarde

I’ve got many rings I’ve been watching that I’ve wanted to check so I’ll be posting them here. Here is another22E07B17-0FC2-4565-9F33-F3243021CBBF.png.7a49f36a7e078232575cd4f2972096fa.pngE74F284B-5E33-46C8-A370-3768CA08F450.png.31eab4e5740934705c9209d73d4df654.pngB8EC60AE-32FD-42DF-BEFF-EFF3D992FC71.png.99b35c7ba2a8353c84cd25eb6d2aec45.png8C9AEEE4-C5C4-48FF-B154-99E9D488A56C.png.91e35bef3e0bef4465c36ff22ee3867c.pngB465124E-21F9-4553-A18A-ED70C3C7CFAF.png.307b39aef0e2b3282a5a2c464671fc66.png

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AOK4

This one seems an original ring.

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PrussianGarde

Ok, then I’ll purchase this

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PrussianGarde

Here’s another one just out of curiosity

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