pgis Posted 29 May , 2019 Share Posted 29 May , 2019 Hi, my great uncle Cormack Cannon died on 17th October 1921 at his family home in Donegal, Ireland. Cause of death was TB.His occupation was recorded as Greaser on board the Marchioness of Breadalbane. His father then received a Royal Navy pension for Cormack from 26th November 1921.What does this mean? Does it mean Cormack was already in receipt of a RN pension and it 'passed' to his father after his death, or does it mean he was still in the navy when he died,or does it mean the authorities conceded that he had contracted TB during WW!? Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 30 May , 2019 Share Posted 30 May , 2019 I've only made a brief search but I'm clean baffled. Can't find him on ADM 188 (record of seamen's service) or BT 377 (RNR ratings' records of service) in TNA's Discovery Catalogue; not in the 1800-1899 period (in case he had been pensioned off before 1900) nor in 1900-1924. None of the Cannons on CWGC match up. There are 18 BT records for "Marchioness of Breadalbane" but none relating to a Cannon that I can find (although she might have been taken up from trade and renamed ... ?) There are 6 Cannons from Donegal. Any possibility he may have used a different first name? Any date of birth matches? 5 here - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_p=1900&_q=cannon*+naval+reserve+donegal 1 here, on a different ship - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14739151 1 here - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6759270 [died Tuesday, February 10, 1920 and buried in Haidar Pasha, not your man.] Might be worthwhile posting this on museumtom's thread, as he specialises in just this sort of problem! seaJane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 30 May , 2019 Share Posted 30 May , 2019 4 hours ago, seaJane said: I've only made a brief search but I'm clean baffled. Can't find him on ADM 188 (record of seamen's service) or BT 377 (RNR ratings' records of service) in TNA's Discovery Catalogue; not in the 1800-1899 period (in case he had been pensioned off before 1900) nor in 1900-1924. None of the Cannons on CWGC match up. There are 18 BT records for "Marchioness of Breadalbane" but none relating to a Cannon that I can find (although she might have been taken up from trade and renamed ... ?) There are 6 Cannons from Donegal. Any possibility he may have used a different first name? Any date of birth matches? 5 here - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_p=1900&_q=cannon*+naval+reserve+donegal 1 here, on a different ship - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14739151 1 here - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6759270 [died Tuesday, February 10, 1920 and buried in Haidar Pasha, not your man.] Might be worthwhile posting this on museumtom's thread, as he specialises in just this sort of problem! seaJane UK Naval Medal and Award Rolls - WW1: Victory Medal, British War Medal - Cormack Cannon, M. of "Breadalbane". JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 30 May , 2019 Share Posted 30 May , 2019 There are 2 pension ledger index records on Fold 3, under Cormick Cannon. Regaards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 30 May , 2019 Share Posted 30 May , 2019 6 hours ago, seaJane said: I've only made a brief search but I'm clean baffled. He was not a naval rating but in the Mercantile Marine Reserve (MMR). His name is on the MMR Medal Roll ADM 171/130, qualified for Victory and British War Medals by service in "M.of BREADALBANE". The medals were claimed by and issued to his father. The noted Index Casualty (I.C.) reference is for 1927. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 30 May , 2019 Share Posted 30 May , 2019 Thanks, I must remember ADM 171 next time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgis Posted 30 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 30 May , 2019 Thank you for the replies and sorry for delay in answering. seaJane, the Dennis Cannon referred to in your link to the ship The Flying Buzzard was Cormack's younger brother who died in 1915 and is remembered on the CWGC website. JP, thank you for that info, I was not aware that Cormack had received medals. They certainly didn't pass down my branch of the family. Alf I have one of the Pension Ledger records from Fold3, the one that records Cormick's name, his father's name and particulars of the award.Is there much detail on the other record? Horatio2, can you kindly post a link to ADM 171/130. I have tried unsuccessfully to locate the information you supplied. Do any of you know if it was normal for a father to receive a pension after the son died in the post war years? Do you think Cormack/Cormick could be a candidate for IFTC inclusion and CWGC recognition? Thanks. Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 31 May , 2019 Share Posted 31 May , 2019 Paul, I think you have the pension record reference 12/D/4425. John received a pension because he was dependant on Cormack's income. Possibly due to his age, he was about 70 in 1921. The other record is reference 12/N/2, and this details Cormick's pension amount, and states it was paid by the Admiralty under the Workmen's Compensation Act. I think he could be a good candidate for IFTC inclusion, but an e-mail to them would clarify this. Regards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 31 May , 2019 Share Posted 31 May , 2019 8 hours ago, pgis said: Horatio2, can you kindly post a link to ADM 171/130. I have tried unsuccessfully to locate the information you supplied. Here you go. It is a large file - 141Mb. https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C975100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgis Posted 31 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 May , 2019 Alf, thanks for your reply in post 8 and the additional information contained in it. Horatio2, thanks for the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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