Gareth Davies Posted 16 May , 2019 Share Posted 16 May , 2019 (edited) Another request from a chum. Harry was in the 16th Bn Welsh Regiment but that got disbanded in Feb 18 and much of the manpower went to the 1st Entrenching Bn. Their WD is for only 1 month and he isn't mentioned there. He was in the vicinity of Bry at some stage in November 1918. I have the WDs of the 15th and 19th Bns and will have a plough through them later but in the mean time does anyone know exactly which Bn he went to in Feb 18? Edited 17 May , 2019 by Gareth Davies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 16 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 16 May , 2019 I have been through the 15th and 19th Bn WDs and he isn't listed. The 19th Bn gives the names of those who went across from he 16th In Feb 18 but he is not mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 16 May , 2019 Admin Share Posted 16 May , 2019 The February 1918 Army List has 2nd Lieutenant H M Salmon in the 3rd Battalion, however there is a 16 in brackets preceding his name. https://digital.nls.uk/british-military-lists/archive/122963349 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 16 May , 2019 Share Posted 16 May , 2019 Hi Gareth, I don't know if it's an earlier Battalion, but in the index to long numbers he's down for the 3rd. Image sourced from the National Archives Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 16 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 16 May , 2019 Thank you both. Yes, he was originally Special Reserve so that's where the 3rd Bn connection comes from. The 3rd didn't deploy. He was sent out to the 16th so the Army List is spot on for Feb 18 - it's Mar - Nov 18 that's confusing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 16 May , 2019 Admin Share Posted 16 May , 2019 March 1918 has him as a Temporary Captain in the 16th (second Lieutenant in the 3rd) https://digital.nls.uk/british-military-lists/archive/103600886 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 16 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 16 May , 2019 Yes. Only the 16th Bn then ceased to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 16 May , 2019 Admin Share Posted 16 May , 2019 October 1918 has a Salmon H.M. listed as ASC (Army Service Corps?) in the Active List and Reserve of Officers https://digital.nls.uk/british-military-lists/archive/103152460 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 16 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 16 May , 2019 Interesting. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 16 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 16 May , 2019 I can't find his MC citation. And interestingly in the Second World War he is back with the Welsh Regt (or Welch as they were by then). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 16 May , 2019 Share Posted 16 May , 2019 (edited) Hi, Possibly with a misspelt middle name? It looks like there might be a pencil amendment on the card. 16th, then 9th? Images sourced from the National Archives Army List of December 1919... Image sourced from the National Library of Scotland Regards Chris Edited 16 May , 2019 by clk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 16 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 16 May , 2019 Thank you. He is variously Harold and Harry so it’s not just the Morrey that causes confusion. There is a London Gazette entry in 1916 that corrects his middle name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 16 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 16 May , 2019 I have found him in the 9th Bn WD. Thank you for all your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard_Lewis Posted 16 May , 2019 Share Posted 16 May , 2019 I'm pretty certain that this officer is the chap who took some of the battlefield photos that appear in Marden's "History of the Welsh Regiment". I also think that some of his papers/ photos are held by the South Wales Borderers museum which used (?) to be at Brecon - it might have moved since I was there a decade ago? Bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard_Lewis Posted 16 May , 2019 Share Posted 16 May , 2019 From Marden: QUOTE The losses of the 9th Welsh in the fighting in the Champagne amounted to 13 officers and 477 other ranks, among the killed being Major F. V. Bracher, formerly 16th Welsh. A start to rebuild the Battalion was made on 22nd June, when Captain H. M. Salmon, M.C., 16th Welsh, and 273 other ranks arrived. ENDQUOTE There is a little more in the history re Captain Salmon - if needed let me know and I'll copy it over the weekend. Bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 17 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 17 May , 2019 10 hours ago, Bernard_Lewis said: I'm pretty certain that this officer is the chap who took some of the battlefield photos that appear in Marden's "History of the Welsh Regiment". I also think that some of his papers/ photos are held by the South Wales Borderers museum which used (?) to be at Brecon - it might have moved since I was there a decade ago? Bernard Yes, that's him. The family have shown me some of their collection of his photographs, it's fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 17 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 17 May , 2019 10 hours ago, Bernard_Lewis said: From Marden: QUOTE The losses of the 9th Welsh in the fighting in the Champagne amounted to 13 officers and 477 other ranks, among the killed being Major F. V. Bracher, formerly 16th Welsh. A start to rebuild the Battalion was made on 22nd June, when Captain H. M. Salmon, M.C., 16th Welsh, and 273 other ranks arrived. ENDQUOTE There is a little more in the history re Captain Salmon - if needed let me know and I'll copy it over the weekend. Bernard That's really helpful, thank you. I know where to start looking in the WD (which mentions his arrival on 22 June 1918). But this does of course beg an new question, where was he and what was he doing between February and June 1918? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 17 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 17 May , 2019 His MC was awarded as part of the 1918 Birthday Honours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard_Lewis Posted 17 May , 2019 Share Posted 17 May , 2019 He gets several mentions in Marden, some when I think he was with the 16th battalion. It includes some direct quotes. I'll send it over on the weekend, Gareth. Can you PM me your email address, please? Bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 17 May , 2019 Share Posted 17 May , 2019 Hi, 2 hours ago, Gareth Davies said: this does of course beg an new question, where was he and what was he doing between February and June 1918? From his death registration record, it looks like he was born 30.12.1891. If all else fails, I guess that his family could get what's left of his service file from the MoD. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 17 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 17 May , 2019 1 hour ago, Bernard_Lewis said: He gets several mentions in Marden, some when I think he was with the 16th battalion. It includes some direct quotes. I'll send it over on the weekend, Gareth. Can you PM me your email address, please? Bernard Thank you, will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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