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1st Battalion Coldstream Guards. Prisoners taken in 1914


barnsleyrunner

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Good morning

 

Does anyone have any information relating to the actions of the above regiment during the early phases of the war? I have information about Private William E. Stout 2066, who was taken prisoner early in the war and held in what looks like `Tinghoff, Schleswig, Germany'.

 

Thank you 

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Hi,

 

I’d hazard a guess he was likely captured whilst serving with 1st Battalion CG as they suffered most casualties/POW in the actions around Ypres in late October/early November 1914.

 

Forum member Coldstreamer will likely be along shortly to share any information he holds but in the meantime here is a link to a digital download copy of the WW1 Regimental History by Sir John Ross of Bladensburg.

 

Good Luck

 

Steve

 

https://m.hathitrust.org/Record/000442395

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Hi,

 

Just to add his MIC (from Ancestry )if you haven’t already seen it.

 

If you haven’t got his full record I’d say from his Regimental number that he was a pre war regular who was likely time expired (enlisted 1901/02? So may have even still been in the last few months of his 12 year Enlistment) and was either a Class D Reservist or re enlisted on the outbreak of the war and kept his original Regimental number.

 

He went over to BEF as a part of an early reinforcement draft 11th Sept 1914 (first draft went over 26th August 1914) but likely didn’t reach his Battalion until 7 to 10 days later.

 

You will get more detail via this link - 

 

http://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/2014/11/coldstream-guards-pow-other-ranks-1914.html

 

Good Luck

 

Steve

 

 

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4 hours ago, Michelle Young said:

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1st Battalion Coldstream Guards landed at Le Havre on 14th August 1914 but Pte Stout's MIC records his date of entry to the theatre as 11th September 1914. If that qualifying date is correct Pte Stout probably joined the battalion at Oeuilly on 20th September with a draft of 2 officers and 218 other ranks which is the first arrival of reinforcements after 11th September recorded in the war diary. That would mean that Pte Stout was probably not with the battalion for the major engagement at Cerny on 14th September after which 1 officer and 160 other ranks were missing. The next major engagement for the battalion was the attack on Langemarck on 21st October after which 73 other ranks were missing. Obviously it is not possible to say how many (if any) of those reported as missing were captured.

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`Tinghoff, Schleswig, Germany' seems to be wrong as there was no PW camp of that name. It would be useful to see the original script to try another interpretation. I can't find him on ICRC website: https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/File/Search.

Acknown

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I have a 14 trio to Harry Gane, 1st Coldstream POW 29/10/14 major action at Gheluvelt. Held at Lamsdorf, if that helps. 

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Pension Record is on Ancestry: click here. He attested in 1898, fought in South Africa, was transferred to the reserve in 1902, was discharged in 1910 and re-enlisted in 1911.

It states POW 30 Oct 14. This may be when he went missing or when his capture was confirmed, but it was almost certainly at Gheluvelt. For the relevant page of the 1 COLDM GDS WD: click here. Still can't find him on ICRC.

Acknown

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6 hours ago, Acknown said:

Pension Record is on Ancestry: click here. He attested in 1898, fought in South Africa, was transferred to the reserve in 1902, was discharged in 1910 and re-enlisted in 1911.

It states POW 30 Oct 14. This may be when he went missing or when his capture was confirmed, but it was almost certainly at Gheluvelt. For the relevant page of the 1 COLDM GDS WD: click here. Still can't find him on ICRC.

Acknown

 

Hi,

 

Thanks for taking the time to provide the information. I’m sure OP will appreciate the update on his return to the forum.

 

Steve

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Stout was taken POW 29.10.14  - a disaster as 1st btn all but wiped out - Id say he as 1st btn 

 

address I have is 41 wear rd, southwick, sunderland

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The `Tinghoff, Schleswig, Germany' could be Tingleff (now called Tinglev in Southern Jutland, Denmark).

There was a PoW camp nearby as there are PoW graves in the nearby churchyard.

However I do not know the nationality of the PoWs held there. 

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I think 'bingoworlddk' has got it. Great work!

CWCG states that there are 9 war graves in TINGLEV CHURCHYARD: https://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/54219/tinglev-churchyard/. They were inmates of the nearby Bajstrup POW camp. The area was in the German Empire in WW1.

Here are some articles that describe the camp. One has a map location.

http://www.thedanishscheme.co.uk/Articles/Starved%20English.pdf

https://verdenskrigensspor.dk/en/location/tinglev-krigsfangegrave/

Acknown

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