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Sydney William Harris service number 7109

2nd batt welsh regiment,  left for France 13th August 14

to leave for France so early he must have been a trained soldier,

must have either been a regular/territorial/militia or on reserve, which would have meant he had been in the army prior. The history of the welsh regiment says 2nd battalion at Aldershot on brigade training,when 3rd mobilized most of the brigade were to young for overseas service,

14th August 571 men from the reserve sent to France 13th August .

I have looked every where I can think of to try and find him in Militia or welsh regiment,

regimental museum haven't been much help:angry:

Any help with this,I have all of his census details .

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7 minutes ago, BIFFO said:

Sydney William Harris service number 7109

2nd batt welsh regiment,  left for France 13th August 14

to leave for France so early he must have been a trained soldier,

must have either been a regular/territorial/militia or on reserve, which would have meant he had been in the army prior. The history of the welsh regiment says 2nd battalion at Aldershot on brigade training,when 3rd mobilized most of the brigade were to young for overseas service,

14th August 571 men from the reserve sent to France 13th August .

I have looked every where I can think of to try and find him in Militia or welsh regiment,

regimental museum haven't been much help:angry:

Any help with this,I have all of his census details .

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If he had been a regular then the number dates from 1901/02
 

6896 joined on 16th July 1901
7156 joined on 13th June 1902

http://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/p/index.html

 

On a 12yr term he'd be either discharged by August 14 (and rejoined) or he had extended his reserve period.  The former would have generated a new service number, the latter would have kept the same number.

Craig

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I see from CWGC that he died on 14/4/15.

I wonder if the Effects Register would provide any more information?

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56 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

I see from CWGC that he died on 14/4/15.

I wonder if the Effects Register would provide any more information?

 

The gratuity would suggest that as of the outbreak of war he was a regular - whether recalled at that point or still serving can't be determined though.

 

Craig

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33 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

OK thanks Craig,

And paid to widow Susan in South Molton?

Yes.

 

Craig

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17 hours ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

OK thanks Craig,

And paid to widow Susan in South Molton?

the plot thickens?? :wub:

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On 11/04/2019 at 16:32, ss002d6252 said:

If he had been a regular then the number dates from 1901/02
 

6896 joined on 16th July 1901
7156 joined on 13th June 1902

http://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/p/index.html

 

On a 12yr term he'd be either discharged by August 14 (and rejoined) or he had extended his reserve period.  The former would have generated a new service number, the latter would have kept the same number.

Craig

in 1911 England/wales census he is married 27 a shipwright (his uncles trade)

1901  he is 15 to young to sign up

so he must have joined joined either as a territorial or in militia 1912-13 as he is a fully trained soldier in 1914,

 

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1901  he is 15 to young to sign up 

He could have joined up as a regular from age 14.

 

In 1901 the standard term is 3 with the colours and 9 on reserve. Add to that a 4 year Section D extension and the time range can fit a recall in 1914 and being at home in 1911.
 

#7100 attested 21 April 1902 on a 3 & 9 term.
#7105 attested 28 April 1902 on a 3 & 9 term

His war gratuity doesn't match that expected for a territorial* so in my opinion we can rule that out.

Craig

* territorials didn't have the specific clause that regular enlistments did to get the Service Gratuity + War Gratuity (Territorials got the War Gratuity less the Service Gratuity)

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