rolt968 Posted 9 April , 2019 Share Posted 9 April , 2019 Charles Stewart enlisted in Liverpool NSW on 25 November 1914. He seems to have been allocated the serial number 1625. He arrived on Gallipoli on 7 May 1915 in the reinforcements for 1 Australian Infantry. He was killed on 19 May 1915. With (I think) only one exception all the documents in his record use 1625 - including the first report of his burial and the correspondence with his family and the medal allocation page. On many pages 1625 has been scored out and replaced by 1507. 1507 appears on the later burial documents and on his gravestone. There are two pages of his record which are duplicates except that one originally had the number 1625 and the other originally 1507. At first sight it looks as if he was allocated a new number after he was killed. Was he perhaps allocated a new number when he joined 1 Australian Infantry, but for some reason it had not come into effect when he died? RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rksimpson Posted 9 April , 2019 Share Posted 9 April , 2019 HI That is odd, there is another 1507 in the 1st Battalion - https://aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=103337 and he has - https://aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=288343 AWM has - https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P10263226 His Roll of Honour there has 1625? It is strange. regards Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 9 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 9 April , 2019 To confuse matters, here is Charles Stewart. Unfortunately 1625 has been transcribed as 1825. https://aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=288348 It says that the "Regimental number from Nominal Roll" was 1507. Does anyone know what that means? RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 9 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 9 April , 2019 This notes something similar happening: https://aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=252725 1617 replaced by 1504. RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rksimpson Posted 10 April , 2019 Share Posted 10 April , 2019 7 hours ago, rolt968 said: says that the "Regimental number from Nominal Roll" was 1507. Does anyone know what that means? Hi This is the nominal roll - https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/R2241723 Shows him as KIA and 1507 regards Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 10 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 10 April , 2019 14 hours ago, rksimpson said: Hi This is the nominal roll - https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/R2241723 Shows him as KIA and 1507 regards Robert Thanks Robert Does that mean he was (at least in theory allocated) 1507 when he joined 1 Battalion. It must have confused his parents a bit when they received notifications and his property using one serial number and communication from CWGC using another. I wonder which number was on his medals. The medal page of his record has 1625 not scored out. RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rksimpson Posted 10 April , 2019 Share Posted 10 April , 2019 HI With his service record at NAA they have this for the heading - Stewart Charles : SERN 1507 1625 : POB Kincardine Scotland : POE Liverpool NSW : NOK F Stewart Hugh , covering both numbers! Front page- attestation has 1625 in the same pen and handwriting as the rest, then crossed out and 1507 added later, so was allocated 1625 when he joined 1st Battalion I would think. Even his report of his death has 1625, later changed so I would presume went through the war with 1625 until his death on Gallipoli in May 1915. Only in his burial from CWGC is it 1507, with no change, so after his death the number change occurred. All other documents have 1625 originally. Why, I don't know, no reason is given? regards Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 11 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 11 April , 2019 18 hours ago, rksimpson said: HI With his service record at NAA they have this for the heading - Stewart Charles : SERN 1507 1625 : POB Kincardine Scotland : POE Liverpool NSW : NOK F Stewart Hugh , covering both numbers! Front page- attestation has 1625 in the same pen and handwriting as the rest, then crossed out and 1507 added later, so was allocated 1625 when he joined 1st Battalion I would think. Even his report of his death has 1625, later changed so I would presume went through the war with 1625 until his death on Gallipoli in May 1915. Only in his burial from CWGC is it 1507, with no change, so after his death the number change occurred. All other documents have 1625 originally. Why, I don't know, no reason is given? regards Robert Thanks Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augmauns Posted 11 April , 2019 Share Posted 11 April , 2019 Hi Of related interest is what happened to the original 1507 Corporal Harry Franklin who is shown on the shipping documents but has no record in the Nominal Roll or the NAA. Rgds Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rksimpson Posted 12 April , 2019 Share Posted 12 April , 2019 Hi That is odd? No service record. He is also here - https://aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=103337 I wonder if the age or occupation ahs anything to do with what happened. Maybe the war diary may say something, or the battalion history? https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/LIB9977 https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C1339133 regards Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augmauns Posted 12 April , 2019 Share Posted 12 April , 2019 Hi Solved. Name mis-spelled. Correct spelling is Harry Franklyn. Another of the 3rd Reinforcements whose number was changed, this time from 1507 to 1524. It was a hectic time for the Battalion but changing regimental numbers seems most unusual. Harry died in Sydney in 1917 after being diagnosed with TB after being evacuated from Gallipoli. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rksimpson Posted 12 April , 2019 Share Posted 12 April , 2019 Hi Greg Thanks for that, clears him up. Still odd with all the number changes, somebody stuffed up somewhere??!! regards Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 12 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 12 April , 2019 I wonder if there was one list in Australia and another in Egypt or Gallipoli and they got out of step with each other. I have looked to see if there is another record for Charles Stewart. But haven't found one. The existing record seems a bit thin. RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now