Julie Walter's Granddad

[roughdiamond]

Hi folks

Was looking at Julie's Wiki entry after seeing the add she's in that shows her over the years, one shows her as a nurse so looked to see if she was.

 

Anyway, it stated that in her WDYTYA episode they found her "paternal GF was a 2nd Boer War veteran KIA June 1915 but it wasn't included in the programme". 

 

1673 Pte Thomas Francis Walters 2nd Warwicks was KIA 07/06/1915 and commemorated on the Le Touret Memorial, he arrived in Theatre 11/11/14 over a month after the Bn arrived at Zeebrugge so I'm assuming he was a mobilised or special reservist, however his number was first used late 1885/early 1886 then again mid 1910, so he obviously didn't serve with that number in South Africa.

 

What's the thoughts, re-enlisted or special reserve?

 

Sam

[ss002d6252]

He has a pension ledger (which doesn't add anything) - https://www.fold3.com/image/645158141

 

The war gratuity tells us he wasn't a regular but again adds nothing not already known.

 

Craig

Edited 31 March , 2019 by ss002d6252

[ss002d6252]

A Thomas Francis Walters, b1881 in Birmingham, enlisted as #2090 KRRC in 1899 - https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM/WO97/6162/1054374 .This man had previously enlisted in the militia as #7273 - https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM/WO96/0122/052/001&parentid=GBM/WO96/122/1111837 .

 

Whilst in the KRRC he served in South Africa.

 

EDIT:

A Thomas Francis Walters, b1881 in Birmingham, enlisted as #9477 5th Bn Royal Warwickshire from 1903 to 1907 - https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO96%2F0122%2F054%2F001&parentid=GBM%2FWO96%2F122%2F1111839 . It seems this is the same man as above.

 

Craig

Edited 31 March , 2019 by ss002d6252

[roughdiamond]

1 hour ago, ss002d6252 said:

A Thomas Francis Walters, b1881 in Birmingham, enlisted as #2090 KRRC in 1899 - https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM/WO97/6162/1054374 .This man had previously enlisted in the militia as #7273 - https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM/WO96/0122/052/001&parentid=GBM/WO96/122/1111837 .

 

Whilst in the KRRC he served in South Africa.

 

EDIT:

A Thomas Francis Walters, b1881 in Birmingham, enlisted as #9477 5th Bn Royal Warwickshire from 1903 to 1907 - https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO96%2F0122%2F054%2F001&parentid=GBM%2FWO96%2F122%2F1111839 . It seems this is the same man as above.

 

Craig

 

Cheers Craig

 

The same man on both occasions by the look of it so asks more questions than it answers, he left the TF in 1907 as 9477, his number was issued to the Regular Bn's in 1910 and no TF Bn's of the Warwicks served in Theatre till 1915.

 

Are we looking at a Civvy albeit ex-Reg who joins a TF Bn at the outbreak of War and is sent to the 2nd Bn with minimal training?

 

Maybe didn't tickle the fancy of the WDYTYA producers, but an interesting and rare one "potentially" for WW1.

 

Sam

[ss002d6252]

18 minutes ago, roughdiamond said:

 

Cheers Craig

 

The same man on both occasions by the look of it so asks more questions than it answers, he left the TF in 1907 as 9477, his number was issued to the Regular Bn's in 1910 and no TF Bn's of the Warwicks served in Theatre till 1915.

  

Are we looking at a Civvy albeit ex-Reg who joins a TF Bn at the outbreak of War and is sent to the 2nd Bn with minimal training? 

 

Maybe didn't tickle the fancy of the WDYTYA producers, but an interesting and rare one "potentially" for WW1.

  

Sam

I suspect a 3rd battalion SR man who was fast-tracked to the front - #1757 was issued to he 3rd Bn on 24 Aug 14, #1665 was issued 8 Aug 14.

 

Craig

Edited 31 March , 2019 by ss002d6252

[Steven Broomfield]

32 minutes ago, roughdiamond said:

 

he left the TF in 1907

 

Sam

 

No. The TF wasn't created until 1908. This man left the Volunteers in 1907, possibly because he didn't want to join the TF. Alternatively, he left the Volunteers on enlistment into the TF, at which point new numbers would be issued as he was on a whole new contract (so to speak).

[Steven Broomfield]

34 minutes ago, roughdiamond said:

 

 

 

Are we looking at a Civvy albeit ex-Reg who joins a TF Bn at the outbreak of War and is sent to the 2nd Bn with minimal training?

 

 

Sam

 

Very unlikely, as TF enlistment was completely separate to Regular/ Service Battalion enlistment. He might have transferred from the TF to a Regular unit but it's unlikely, I would suggest.

 

I think Craig's suggestion of enlistement into the SR makes sense: if he had previous service then he could join the 3rd Battalion and be out to France pretty well immediately once he'd been issued with kit and (possibly, I don't know) shot a range course. Given the desperate measures needed at that point, an ability to breathe, plus a little previous knowledge, would probably be sufficient.

[Chris_Baker]

To be clear, as mention of TF appears to me to be a red herring, the man discussed above served in the Militia of the Royal Warwicks (7273) for the brief period of his 49 days of preliminary training before re-enlisting as a regular with KRRC (2090). He was discharged by purchase in September 1902. He then joined the Militia again (9477) in November 1903 and left time-expired four years later. 

 

The number 1673 was issued by the Royal Warwicks for enlistment into the Special Reserve on 8 August 1914. Men numbered around it rained with the 3rd (Reserve) Battalion.

[roughdiamond]

Thanks guys, my schoolboy error on the TF, teaches me not to knock out a quick post while out on a walk with the Dog and he's having a water break

 

So accepted straight to the SR from civvy st, WW1 has featured many times on WDYTYA, but not with his service combination, would have been interesting for us but others would probably have said "oh no, not WW1 again".

 

Sam