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Mickjam

 I have just aquired this bayonet,German made by Weyersberg .Kirschbaun & CIE   Solingen i believe .

I know that Brazil did not declare war on Germany until 1917,and they only sent a few officers and sargeants to France, but  there navy did see some action.

Does anyone know what the tear drop marking means on the back of blade,and the e on the scabard?

 

Mck

 

 

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Steve1871

I did not know Brazil was a combatant in the Great War, even if just their Navy. Do you know of any naval battles?

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Mickjam

Hi Steve

They declared war on Germany on 26th October 1917,the navy patrolled the Atlantic after u boats and managed to sink one ,

if you google Brazil ww1, Wikipedia  page has a lot of info on this.

 

Mick

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4thGordons

Here's a better WWI connection

 

Britain obtained and issued Brazilian Mausers, much like the Chilean Mausers, from a warship under construction in the UK at the outbreak of war.

Named the "Rio de Janeiro" and laid down in 1910 - launched in 1913...but unpaid for by Brazil who decided to sell her, agreed a sale to Turkey in 1913 (renamed Sultan Osman I) Armstrong were supposed to have her ready for delivery in July 1914. On Aug 1 1914 a company of the Sherwood Foresters (bayonets fixed) marched aboard and took possession of the ship. Renamed HMS Agincourt she joined the Grand Fleet in December 1914

 

It appears 1908 Mausers (and it is assumed bayonets) had already been supplied to equip the ship (although the exact order of events is unclear) however the rifles appear to have passed to the Admiralty for emergency use (Ammunition being supplied by US manufacturers) There is/was an example in the MoD Pattern room.

 

Full details can be found in TonyE's book on Royal Naval Small Arms (vol 4)

 

Here is one of my examples, I can't find a pic of my bayonet at the moment

Chris

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trajan

The symbol on the back of the blade is a cursive Greek letter 'delta', that on the pommel a cursive Greek letter 'beta', and I believe that these are Brazilian(?) inspector's marks.

 

The frog stud marking 'e' is, I will make a guess, part of a consecutive series numbering system, The first 9999 were marked 'a', he next 9999 were marked 'b', etc.

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MikeyH

I have an exactly similar example, one side of the crossguard carries the serial number 6913, the other side a faint AG, no markings to the frog stud, the spine has the B mark, but no makers marks present at all.  It was a cheap impulse buy at an antiques fair.  They are a very good looking bayonet.

 

Mike.

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Mickjam

Thanks Julian

 

Mick

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trajan
5 hours ago, MikeyH said:

I have an exactly similar example, one side of the crossguard carries the serial number 6913, the other side a faint AG, no markings to the frog stud, the spine has the B mark, but no makers marks present at all.  It was a cheap impulse buy at an antiques fair.  They are a very good looking bayonet.

 

Mike.

 

Mike, I have managed to avoid getting one of these but any bayonet with a brass fitted leather scabbard always make me think 'Ahhh, that's a nice looking one!' I have this lovely Italian Carcano which fits nowhere into my collecting strategy and a mate wants it... But (a), it was given to me by another mate, and (b) that lovely brass locket and chape... 

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MikeyH

Julian,

The hilt and crossguard were rusty when I purchased it, as you say a combination of polished steel, brass, leather and walnut grips is hard to resist.

Mike.

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4thGordons

Here, for comparison of the almost identical markings, is mine:

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MikeyH

'Bayonets an Illustrated History' by Martin J. Brayley (2004), has an illustration

of a Brazilian armourer at work.  There is a large rack of 1908 pattern bayonets

in brass mounted scabbards behind his workbench, which then were

'still used for cerimonial occasions'.

 

Mike.

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trajan
23 hours ago, MikeyH said:

'Bayonets an Illustrated History' by Martin J. Brayley (2004), has an illustration

of a Brazilian armourer at work.  There is a large rack of 1908 pattern bayonets

in brass mounted scabbards behind his workbench, which then were

'still used for cerimonial occasions'.

 

Mike.

 

Reminds me of how until 20 or so years ago the Honour Guard of the German Republic was using WW2 Kar.98 and bayonets still with their 3Reich eagle waffenamt markings on them... And the WW2 German rifles and bayonets similarly marked an Israeli friend of mine trained with some 50 years back...! 

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trajan
On 11/04/2019 at 18:07, editionsdubrevail said:

Some bayonets Brazil use by German during the first war.

See my book

German bayonet 1898-1945

http://www.editionsdubrevail.com/german-bayonet-1898-1945-c2x27339402

 

 

Do these converted ones have any marks on the blade spine? For example, a year mark, or fraktur?

 

Julian

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