stevenbecker Posted 28 February , 2019 Share Posted 28 February , 2019 Mates, A Yank mate wanted to know more about the losses of ships around the Port of Sinope Turkey during the war. He gave me this, can it be confirmed? Looking for sources on this and other operations and of course detail.In November 1914, Russian Admiral Ebergardt led a sweep of the coast sinking several steamers and dozens of sailing ships. Do not know the extent of the sweep.In the first week of January, 1915, at Sinope a Russian cruiser discovered the Turkish cruiser Medjidieh convoying a transport. After a short engagement the Medjidieh was put to flight, and the transport sunk.On January 6, 1915, the Russian Black Sea fleet ran into the Breslau and the Hamidieh and damaged them both in a running fight. A week later Russian torpedo boats sank several Turkish supply boats near Sinope.I see a steamer Georigos sunk in early 1915 on a raid at Sinope. I cannot find this ship in any registry."The beaten Turk". The Times (40756). London. 20 January 1915. col C, p. 7. There was not much naval censorship in the early months of the war to include Jan-May 1915 so I suspect it is accurate in terms of place, name, date. Well maybe the name is mistranslated. I thought the steamer may have been Bulgarian with that name.On Jan 25 Russian ships sank a a Turkish vessel with the entire their entire aeroplane fleet onboard.-unconfirmed.On Jan 25,26,27 torpedo boats swept the coast and sank several Sailing ships. On the 28 bombarding Trebizond. The same boat then attacked Rizah and sank several sailing ships. Looks like a sweep from West to East. I have this (unconfirmed) gem from the NY Times: LONDON, July 20. -- A fleet of fifty-nine Turkish sailing vessels laden with war materials for the Turkish Army of the Caucasus has been destroyed by Russian torpedo-boat destroyers, according to a dispatch from Sebastopol to Reuter's Telegram Company.Also on Sept. 17 1915, Russian torpedoe boats raided the coast near Sinope and sank a quantity of sailing vessels laden with munitions.By the end of 1915 Russian sweeps had sunk dozens of steamers and hundreds of sailing vessels. (Would love to know the details)I was recommended to read North of Gallipoli: The Black Sea Fleet at War, 1914-1917 and Halbmond und Kaiseradler: Goeben und Breslau am Bosporus, 1914-1918 Can these ships be confirmed and any other ships lost around that area? Cheers S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 1 March , 2019 Share Posted 1 March , 2019 15 hours ago, stevebecker said: By the end of 1915 Russian sweeps had sunk dozens of steamers and hundreds of sailing vessels. (Would love to know the details) There are some useful leads in this thesis https://ir.library.louisville.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4015&context=etd particularly from page 244 onwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 1 March , 2019 Share Posted 1 March , 2019 (edited) Mate, Thanks I passed that on. I did notice some thing on another site about ships in the Ottoman Fleet;TRANSPORTS AND ARMED STEAMERSBezm-i Alem 4,570 1906 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1914Tir-i Müjgan (depot ship) 4,050 1906 (bought) Britain Scrapped in 1920Eser-i Cedid 1,520 1909 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1937Mithat Paşa 4,450 1911 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1914Reşit Paşa 4,450 1911 (bought) Britain Scrapped in 1953Plevne 1,150 1912 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1915Urla 4,180 1914 (seized) Britain Scrapped in 1954Nara 300 1914 (seized) ? Sunk in 1915Mahmut Şevket Paşa 2,690 1915 (seized) Britain Scrapped in 1935Gülcemal 5,000 1874 / 1910 (bought) Britain Scrapped in 1950Bandırma 280 ? ? ?Derne ? ? ? ?Halep 3,684 ? ? Sunk in 1915Şam 3,660 ? ? ?Karadeniz 3,660 1905 / ? (bought) Netherlands Scrapped in 1951Akdeniz ? 1890 / 1911 (bought) Netherlands Scrapped in 1930Alemdar 362 1898 Denmark Out of service in 1954Neveser 362 1890 Britain Sunk in 1917Kızılırmak 1,945 ? ? Sunk in 1915Yeşilırmak 865 ? ? Sunk in 1915Gelibolu 280 ? ? ?Edremit 280 ? ? Sunk in 1917Mersin ? ? ? ?İnebolu ? ? ? ?Hüdavendigar 820 ? ? ?Bosporus 2,990 ? ? Sunk in 1915Rehber 280 ? ? Sunk in 1915Ceyhun 3,500 ? ? ?Zonguldak 1,550 ? ? ?Zafer 330 ? ? ?Derince 3,300 ? ? ?Seyhun 3,000 ? ? ?Uğurola 960 ? ? Sunk in 1915Patmos 1,900 ? ? Sunk in 1916Vatan 520 ? ? Out of service in 1916Resan ? ? ? Sunk in 1916Suhulet (ferry) ? 1870 Britain Scrapped in 1961Sahilbent (ferry) ? 1871 Britain Scrapped in 1998Gazal (tugboat) 182 1910 / 1912 (bought) Britain Out of service in 1954Tir-i Müjgan (depot ship) 4,050 1906 (bought) Britain Scrapped in 1920Eser-i Cedid 1,520 1909 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1937Mithat Paşa 4,450 1911 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1914Reşit Paşa 4,450 1911 (bought) Britain Scrapped in 1953Plevne 1,150 1912 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1915Urla 4,180 1914 (seized) Britain Scrapped in 1954Nara 300 1914 (seized) ? Sunk in 1915Mahmut Şevket Paşa 2,690 1915 (seized) Britain Scrapped in 1935Gülcemal 5,000 1874 / 1910 (bought) Britain Scrapped in 1950Bandırma 280 ? ? ?Derne ? ? ? ?Halep 3,684 ? ? Sunk in 1915Şam 3,660 ? ? ?Karadeniz 3,660 1905 / ? (bought) Netherlands Scrapped in 1951Akdeniz ? 1890 / 1911 (bought) Netherlands Scrapped in 1930Alemdar 362 1898 Denmark Out of service in 1954Neveser 362 1890 Britain Sunk in 1917Kızılırmak 1,945 ? ? Sunk in 1915Yeşilırmak 865 ? ? Sunk in 1915Gelibolu 280 ? ? ?Edremit 280 ? ? Sunk in 1917Mersin ? ? ? ?İnebolu ? ? ? ?Hüdavendigar 820 ? ? ?Bosporus 2,990 ? ? Sunk in 1915Rehber 280 ? ? Sunk in 1915Ceyhun 3,500 ? ? ?Zonguldak 1,550 ? ? ?Zafer 330 ? ? ?Derince 3,300 ? ? ?Seyhun 3,000 ? ? ?Uğurola 960 ? ? Sunk in 1915Patmos 1,900 ? ? Sunk in 1916Vatan 520 ? ? Out of service in 1916Resan ? ? ? Sunk in 1916Suhulet (ferry) ? 1870 Britain Scrapped in 1961Sahilbent (ferry) ? 1871 Britain Scrapped in 1998Gazal (tugboat) 182 1910 / 1912 (bought) Britain Out of service in 1954 Details on those lost during the war are not mentioned, I would asume that a number were lost in the Black Sea? Cheers S.B Edited 1 March , 2019 by stevebecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James A Pratt III Posted 6 March , 2019 Share Posted 6 March , 2019 The book "the Ottoman Steam Navy 1827-1923" lists the Ottoman merchant ships sunk or damaged during WW I see also the book "The Russian Fleet 1914-1917" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix C Posted 6 March , 2019 Share Posted 6 March , 2019 Thanks Man. That was me asking. I saw a veritable coven of Ottoman enthusiasts at another forum and asked there. Have several books enroute on the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 8 April , 2019 Share Posted 8 April , 2019 (edited) Mates, Felix posted this on the other site "Found this on a Russsian site In 1916, the enemy lost 3 destroyers, 4 submarines, 3 gunboats, 6 transports, 16 steamers and tugs, 4 motor and 865 sailing ships on the Black Sea (History of the First World War 1914-1918. T. 2. P. 280) ." I have confirmed the four U Boats UB 45 Constantinople Flotilla 1916 Struck a mine off Varna 15 dead and 5 survivors 6-11-16UB 46 Constantinople Flotilla 1916 Struck a mine in the Bosporus 20 dead (all hands lost) 6-12-16 UC 15 Constantinople Flotilla 1916 Lost for unknown reason probably off Danube's mouth 15 dead (all hands lost) 30-11-16UB 7 Constantinople Flotilla 1916 Mined in the Black Sea 15 miles SE of Varna all crew lost (15 dead) 27-9-16 Do we know the names and dates and details on the three destroyers, and or other ships shown lost? Cheers S.B Edited 8 April , 2019 by stevebecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 8 April , 2019 Share Posted 8 April , 2019 (edited) Mates, Just to add a Turkish site gives these Ottoman warships during the war, one or possibly three TB's are shown lost during 1916? DESTROYERS Yadigar-ı Millet 616 1909 / 1910 (bought) Germany Sunk in 1917 Muavenet-i Milliye 616 1909 / 1910 (bought) Germany Scrapped in 1953 Numune-i Hamiyet 616 1909 / 1910 (bought) Germany Scrapped in 1923 Gayret-i Vataniye 616 1909 / 1910 (bought) Germany Sunk in 1915 Samsun 290 1907 France Scrapped in 1949 Taşoz 290 1907 France Scrapped in 1949 Yarhisar 290 1907 France Sunk in 1915 Basra 290 1907 France Scrapped in 1949 Berkefşan 270 1894 Germany Scrapped in 1932 TORPEDO BOATS Yunus 200 1906 Italy Scrapped in 1935 Hamidiye 200 1902 Italy Sunk in 1911 Akhisar 160 1906 Italy Scrapped in 1935 Musul 160 1906 Italy Scrapped in 1936 Draç 160 1906 Italy Scrapped in 1936 Kütahya 160 1906 Italy Sunk in 1916 Antalya 160 1906 Italy Out of service in 1916 Alpagut 160 1906 Italy Sunk in 1912 Tokat 160 1906 Italy Out of service in 1916 Ankara 160 1906 Italy Sunk in 1912 Demirhisar 98 1906 France Sunk in 1915 Sultanhisar 98 1907 France Scrapped in 1935 Sivrihisar 98 1906 France Scrapped in 1935 Hamidabad 98 1906 France Sunk in 1917 GUNBOATS Peyk-i Şevket 775 1906 Germany Scrapped in 1954 Berk-i Satvet 775 1906 Germany Scrapped in 1955 Zuhaf 650 1896 Turkey Scrapped in 1936 Peleng-i Derya 585 1890 Germany Sunk in 1915 Aydın Reis 510 1912 France Scrapped in 1954 Burak Reis 510 1912 France Scrapped in 1955 Preveze 510 1912 France Scrapped in 1926 Sakız 510 1912 France Scrapped in 1935 Durak Reis 420 1912 France Scrapped in 1973 İsa Reis 420 1912 France Scrapped in 1964 Hızır Reis 420 1912 France Out of service in 1952 Marmaris 530 1907 France Sunk in 1915 Malatya 213 1907 France Scrapped in 1921 Taşköprü 213 1907 France Sunk in 1915 Nevşehir 213 1907 France Sunk in 1915 Ordu 200 1907 France Sunk in 1912 Gökçedağ 200 1907 France Sunk in 1915 Refahiye 200 1907 France Sunk in 1912 Ayıntap 200 1907 France Sunk in 1912 Bafra 200 1907 France Sunk in 1912 Kastamonu 200 1905 Germany Sunk in 1912 Yozgat 200 1905 Germany Sunk in 1912 Nurulbahir 200 1908 Italy Out of service in 1913 RIVER GUNBOATS Doğan 250 1911 Germany Sunk in 1917 Selman-ı Pak 98 1915 (seized) Britain Out of service in 1917 MINELAYERS Giresun (storage ship) 3,000 1910 (bought) Britain Scrapped in 1927 İntibah 600 1912 (bought Britain Out of service in 1958 Selanik 270 1911 (seized) Britain Scrapped in 1927 Samsun 270 1910 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1915 Nusrat 360 1911 Germany Out of service in 1955 Muzaffer 70 1914 Turkey Out of service in 1918 Gayret 144 1907 (bought) Britain Scrapped in 1927 Nilüfer 1,000 1911 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1914 Ron 200 1914 (seized) Britain Sunk in 1914 Cheers S.B Edited 8 April , 2019 by stevebecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix C Posted 8 April , 2019 Share Posted 8 April , 2019 Speaking of Ger. submarines, Also found this at a Russian Site: HIPS AND SHIPS SUNK, DAMAGED AND CAPTURED BY GERMAN SUBMARINES ON THE BLACK SEA 1915-1918. “UB-8” 09.09.1915 ShK “Employee” (102 brt)."UB-8" 09.09.1915 ShK "Pokorny" (121 brt).“UB-8” 09.09.1915 ShK “Benefactor” (85 brt).UB-8 09/11/1915 ShH "Melitina" (108 brt)."UB-7" 09/15/1915 "Patagonia" ( "Patagonia" , 1913, 6011 brt)"UB-14" 10/07/1915 PK "Katya" (1904, 474 brt)."UB-14" 10/08/1915 TN "Absheron" ( "Apscheron" , 1887, 1850 brt)"UC-13" 11/22/1915 ShH "Ukraine"(127 bt)"UC-13" 11/22/1915 ShK "Marusya-Raya" (158 brt)."UC-13" 11/22/1915 TR "Transport number 57" ( "Rostov" , 1867, 1280 brt), was commissioned."UC-13" 11/23/1915 ShH "?" (? Brt)."UC-13" 11/23/1915 ShH "?" (? Brt).“U-33” 03.30.1916 “Portugal” GS (fr. “Portugal” , 1886, 5357 brt)."U-33" 03/31/1916 PH "King Albert" (Belgian "Roi Albert" , 1911, 2853 brt). Put into operation."U-33" 03/31/1916 ShK "?" (7 brt)."U-33" 03/04/1916 T-33 "T-33"( Enrietta , 1904, 442 brt) finished off with artillery fire."UB-7" 04/08/1916 ShK "Saldagan" (75 brt)."UB-7" 04/09/1916 ShH "Dream" (119 brt)."UC-15" 04/25/1916 EM "tenacious" , mine."UC-15" 04/25/1916 ShH "St. St. George the Victorious ” (112 brts) by subversive ammunition.“U-33” April 28, 1916 ShK “Angelica” (170 bt).“U-33” 28.04 1916 ShK “Lucy” (ca. 50 brt).“U-33” 28.04 1916 ShK “?” (300 brt)."UC-15" 05/28/1916 ShH "Nikolay" (? Brt), mine.“U-38” 08.06.1916 TR “Transport No. 77” ( “Cement Circle” , 1914, 1086 brt).“U-38” 06/08/1916 TR “Transport No. 21” ( “Vera” , 1870, 1231 brt), is damaged."U-38" 06/08/1916 TR "Transport number 29" ( "Little Russia" , 1905, 893 brt), is damaged."U-38" 06/08/1916 ShK "Ekaterina" (149 brt)."U-38" June 10, 1916 , Orion Khimki (1860, 429 brt) artillery."UC-15" 06/12/1916 barge (? Brt), mine.“UC-15” June 15, 1916 “Mercury” PCh (1910, 762 brt), mine.“U-38” 07/02/1916 TR “Transport No. 55” (b. Eng. “Rockliffe” PCh , 1904, 3073 grt). finished off the "Midili"."U-38" 07/04/1916 PX "?" (Approx. 500 brt) artillery, rushed to the shore."U-38" 07/08/1916 GS "Forward" (1898, 3234 brt)."U-38" 07/10/1916 TR "Transport number 72" (B. Austrian HRS Florida , 1900, 3238 brt)."U-33" 08/15/1916 ShK "?" (? Brt) rushed to the shore."UB-7" 08/31/1916 ShK "?" (78 brt)."UB-45" 08/31/1916 TR "Transport number 108" (the former Italian "Tevere" , 1911, 2666 brt).“UB-45” 09/02/1916 TR “Transport No. 22” (former Austrian “Gioconda” , 1902, 3701 brt).“UB-42” 09/03/1916 TR “Transport No. 48” ( “Peter Darcy” , 1882, 731 brt)."U-33" 15 (18) .09.1916 3 (2) fishing longboats (Romania), boarding party."UB-42" 10/5/1916 ShH "St. Nikolai ” (34 grt)."UB-42" 10/19/1916 TR "Transport number 75" ( "The Queen" , 1886, 2891 brt), is damaged."UB-46" 11.11.1916 ShK "Melania" (117 brt)."UB-14" 05.06.1917 ShK "Karasund"(155 bt)"UB-42" 10.10.1917 HRF "?" (Approx. 3000 brt).“UB-42” 10/11/1917 ShKh “Agios Georgios” (123 grt)."UB-42" 11/22/1917 TR "Transport number 98" (the former Italian "Siracusa" , 1881, 1086 brt).UB-42 11.11.1917 ShH Francesco Patrino (112 grt)."UC-23" 03.21.1918 KTSCH "?" (? T)."UC-23" 04/11/1918 T-342 TShch ( "Trud" , 1891, 610 brt) was captured."UC-23" 04/14/1918 TR "Transport number 35" ( "Cossack" , 1890, 622 brt) captured."UC-23"04/14/1918 T-351 TSS ( Olga , 1880, 327 GW) captured."UC-23" 04.14.1918 barge (about 100 grt)."UC-23" 04/25/1918 The Rostov Rostov Cultures (1867, 1280 brts) rushed ashore, lost."UB-14" 04/30/1918 HRP "?" Is damaged."UB-42" 05/16/1918 PMSH "Sergey" (96 brts) captured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 8 April , 2019 Share Posted 8 April , 2019 Mate, Interesting; The U Boat net shows only one ship sunk by UB 8 UB 8 had 14 war patrols but does not show on what patrol she engaged these ships, but did not claim any sunk? "UB-8” 09.09.1915 ShK “Employee” (102 brt)."UB-8" 09.09.1915 ShK "Pokorny" (121 brt).“UB-8” 09.09.1915 ShK “Benefactor” (85 brt).UB-8 09/11/1915 ShH "Melitina" (108 brt)." Were they sunk or damaged? One for Micheal Cheers S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix C Posted 9 April , 2019 Share Posted 9 April , 2019 (edited) Russian website. Perhaps attribution is off. Will have to look around. Edited 9 April , 2019 by Felix C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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