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stevebecker

Mates,

 

A Yank mate wanted to know more about the losses of ships around the Port of Sinope Turkey during the war.

 

He gave me this, can it be confirmed?

 

Looking for sources on this and other operations and of course detail.

In November 1914, Russian Admiral Ebergardt led a sweep of the coast sinking several steamers and dozens of sailing ships. Do not know the extent of the sweep.

In the first week of January, 1915, at Sinope a Russian cruiser discovered the Turkish cruiser Medjidieh convoying a transport. After a short engagement the Medjidieh was put to flight, and the transport sunk.

On January 6, 1915, the Russian Black Sea fleet ran into the Breslau and the Hamidieh and damaged them both in a running fight. A week later Russian torpedo boats sank several Turkish supply boats near Sinope.

I see a steamer Georigos sunk in early 1915 on a raid at Sinope. I cannot find this ship in any registry.
"The beaten Turk". The Times (40756). London. 20 January 1915. col C, p. 7. There was not much naval censorship in the early months of the war to include Jan-May 1915 so I suspect it is accurate in terms of place, name, date. Well maybe the name is mistranslated. I thought the steamer may have been Bulgarian with that name.

On Jan 25 Russian ships sank a a Turkish vessel with the entire their entire aeroplane fleet onboard.-unconfirmed.

On Jan 25,26,27 torpedo boats swept the coast and sank several Sailing ships. On the 28 bombarding Trebizond. The same boat then attacked Rizah and sank several sailing ships. Looks like a sweep from West to East. 

I have this (unconfirmed) gem from the NY Times: LONDON, July 20. -- A fleet of fifty-nine Turkish sailing vessels laden with war materials for the Turkish Army of the Caucasus has been destroyed by Russian torpedo-boat destroyers, according to a dispatch from Sebastopol to Reuter's Telegram Company.

Also on Sept. 17 1915, Russian torpedoe boats raided the coast near Sinope and sank a quantity of sailing vessels laden with munitions.

By the end of 1915 Russian sweeps had sunk dozens of steamers and hundreds of sailing vessels. (Would love to know the details)

I was recommended to read North of Gallipoli: The Black Sea Fleet at War, 1914-1917 and Halbmond und Kaiseradler: Goeben und Breslau am Bosporus, 1914-1918

 

Can these ships be confirmed and any other ships lost around that area?

 

Cheers

 

S.B

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Posted (edited)

Mate,

 

Thanks I passed that on.

 

I did notice some thing on another site about ships in the Ottoman Fleet;

TRANSPORTS AND ARMED STEAMERS

Bezm-i Alem 4,570 1906 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1914
Tir-i Müjgan (depot ship) 4,050 1906 (bought) Britain Scrapped in 1920
Eser-i Cedid 1,520 1909 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1937
Mithat Paşa 4,450 1911 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1914
Reşit Paşa 4,450 1911 (bought) Britain Scrapped in 1953
Plevne 1,150 1912 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1915
Urla 4,180 1914 (seized) Britain Scrapped in 1954
Nara 300 1914 (seized) ? Sunk in 1915
Mahmut Şevket Paşa 2,690 1915 (seized) Britain Scrapped in 1935
Gülcemal 5,000 1874 / 1910 (bought) Britain Scrapped in 1950
Bandırma 280 ? ? ?
Derne ? ? ? ?
Halep 3,684 ? ? Sunk in 1915
Şam 3,660 ? ? ?
Karadeniz 3,660 1905 / ? (bought) Netherlands Scrapped in 1951
Akdeniz ? 1890 / 1911 (bought) Netherlands Scrapped in 1930
Alemdar 362 1898 Denmark Out of service in 1954
Neveser 362 1890 Britain Sunk in 1917
Kızılırmak 1,945 ? ? Sunk in 1915
Yeşilırmak 865 ? ? Sunk in 1915
Gelibolu 280 ? ? ?
Edremit 280 ? ? Sunk in 1917
Mersin ? ? ? ?
İnebolu ? ? ? ?
Hüdavendigar 820 ? ? ?
Bosporus 2,990 ? ? Sunk in 1915
Rehber 280 ? ? Sunk in 1915
Ceyhun 3,500 ? ? ?
Zonguldak 1,550 ? ? ?
Zafer 330 ? ? ?
Derince 3,300 ? ? ?
Seyhun 3,000 ? ? ?
Uğurola 960 ? ? Sunk in 1915
Patmos 1,900 ? ? Sunk in 1916
Vatan 520 ? ? Out of service in 1916
Resan ? ? ? Sunk in 1916
Suhulet (ferry) ? 1870 Britain Scrapped in 1961
Sahilbent (ferry) ? 1871 Britain Scrapped in 1998
Gazal (tugboat) 182 1910 / 1912 (bought) Britain Out of service in 1954
Tir-i Müjgan (depot ship) 4,050 1906 (bought) Britain Scrapped in 1920
Eser-i Cedid 1,520 1909 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1937
Mithat Paşa 4,450 1911 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1914
Reşit Paşa 4,450 1911 (bought) Britain Scrapped in 1953
Plevne 1,150 1912 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1915
Urla 4,180 1914 (seized) Britain Scrapped in 1954
Nara 300 1914 (seized) ? Sunk in 1915
Mahmut Şevket Paşa 2,690 1915 (seized) Britain Scrapped in 1935
Gülcemal 5,000 1874 / 1910 (bought) Britain Scrapped in 1950
Bandırma 280 ? ? ?
Derne ? ? ? ?
Halep 3,684 ? ? Sunk in 1915
Şam 3,660 ? ? ?
Karadeniz 3,660 1905 / ? (bought) Netherlands Scrapped in 1951
Akdeniz ? 1890 / 1911 (bought) Netherlands Scrapped in 1930
Alemdar 362 1898 Denmark Out of service in 1954
Neveser 362 1890 Britain Sunk in 1917
Kızılırmak 1,945 ? ? Sunk in 1915
Yeşilırmak 865 ? ? Sunk in 1915
Gelibolu 280 ? ? ?
Edremit 280 ? ? Sunk in 1917
Mersin ? ? ? ?
İnebolu ? ? ? ?
Hüdavendigar 820 ? ? ?
Bosporus 2,990 ? ? Sunk in 1915
Rehber 280 ? ? Sunk in 1915
Ceyhun 3,500 ? ? ?
Zonguldak 1,550 ? ? ?
Zafer 330 ? ? ?
Derince 3,300 ? ? ?
Seyhun 3,000 ? ? ?
Uğurola 960 ? ? Sunk in 1915
Patmos 1,900 ? ? Sunk in 1916
Vatan 520 ? ? Out of service in 1916
Resan ? ? ? Sunk in 1916
Suhulet (ferry) ? 1870 Britain Scrapped in 1961
Sahilbent (ferry) ? 1871 Britain Scrapped in 1998
Gazal (tugboat) 182 1910 / 1912 (bought) Britain Out of service in 1954

 

Details on those lost during the war are not mentioned, I would asume that a number were lost in the Black Sea?

 

Cheers


S.B

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James A Pratt III

The book "the Ottoman Steam Navy 1827-1923" lists the Ottoman merchant ships sunk or damaged during WW I

 

see also the book "The Russian Fleet 1914-1917"

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Felix C

Thanks Man. That was me asking. I saw a veritable coven of Ottoman enthusiasts at another forum and asked there. 

Have several books enroute on the topic.  

 

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Posted (edited)

Mates,

 

Felix posted this on the other site

 

"Found this on a Russsian site
In 1916, the enemy lost 3 destroyers, 4 submarines, 3 gunboats, 6 transports, 16 steamers and tugs, 4 motor and 865 sailing ships on the Black Sea (History of the First World War 1914-1918. T. 2. P. 280) ."
 
I have confirmed the four U Boats
UB 45 Constantinople Flotilla 1916 Struck a mine off Varna 15 dead and 5 survivors 6-11-16
UB 46 Constantinople Flotilla 1916 Struck a mine in the Bosporus 20 dead (all hands lost) 6-12-16 
UC 15 Constantinople Flotilla 1916 Lost for unknown reason probably off Danube's mouth 15 dead (all hands lost) 30-11-16
UB 7 Constantinople Flotilla 1916 Mined in the Black Sea 15 miles SE of Varna all crew lost (15 dead) 27-9-16
 
Do we know the names and dates and details on the three destroyers, and or other ships shown lost?
 
Cheers

S.B
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Posted (edited)

Mates,

 

Just to add a Turkish site gives these Ottoman warships during the war, one or possibly three TB's are shown lost during 1916?

 

DESTROYERS          
shipicon.gif.png Yadigar-ı Millet 616 1909 / 1910 (bought) Germany Sunk in 1917
shipicon.gif.png Muavenet-i Milliye 616 1909 / 1910 (bought) Germany Scrapped in 1953
  Numune-i Hamiyet 616 1909 / 1910 (bought) Germany Scrapped in 1923
  Gayret-i Vataniye 616 1909 / 1910 (bought) Germany Sunk in 1915
  Samsun 290 1907 France Scrapped in 1949
  Taşoz 290 1907 France Scrapped in 1949
  Yarhisar 290 1907 France Sunk in 1915
  Basra 290 1907 France Scrapped in 1949
  Berkefşan 270 1894 Germany Scrapped in 1932
TORPEDO BOATS          
  Yunus 200 1906 Italy Scrapped in 1935
  Hamidiye 200 1902 Italy Sunk in 1911
  Akhisar 160 1906 Italy Scrapped in 1935
  Musul 160 1906 Italy Scrapped in 1936
  Draç 160 1906 Italy Scrapped in 1936
  Kütahya 160 1906 Italy Sunk in 1916
  Antalya 160 1906 Italy Out of service in 1916
  Alpagut 160 1906 Italy Sunk in 1912
  Tokat 160 1906 Italy Out of service in 1916
  Ankara 160 1906 Italy Sunk in 1912
  Demirhisar 98 1906 France Sunk in 1915
shipicon.gif.png Sultanhisar 98 1907 France Scrapped in 1935
  Sivrihisar 98 1906 France Scrapped in 1935
  Hamidabad 98 1906 France Sunk in 1917
GUNBOATS          
shipicon.gif.png Peyk-i Şevket 775 1906 Germany Scrapped in 1954
shipicon.gif.png Berk-i Satvet 775 1906 Germany Scrapped in 1955
  Zuhaf 650 1896 Turkey Scrapped in 1936
  Peleng-i Derya 585 1890 Germany Sunk in 1915
  Aydın Reis 510 1912 France Scrapped in 1954
  Burak Reis 510 1912 France Scrapped in 1955
  Preveze 510 1912 France Scrapped in 1926
  Sakız 510 1912 France Scrapped in 1935
  Durak Reis 420 1912 France Scrapped in 1973
  İsa Reis 420 1912 France Scrapped in 1964
  Hızır Reis 420 1912 France Out of service in 1952
  Marmaris 530 1907 France Sunk in 1915
  Malatya 213 1907 France Scrapped in 1921
  Taşköprü 213 1907 France Sunk in 1915
  Nevşehir 213 1907 France Sunk in 1915
  Ordu 200 1907 France Sunk in 1912
  Gökçedağ 200 1907 France Sunk in 1915
  Refahiye 200 1907 France Sunk in 1912
  Ayıntap 200 1907 France Sunk in 1912
  Bafra 200 1907 France Sunk in 1912
  Kastamonu 200 1905 Germany Sunk in 1912
  Yozgat 200 1905 Germany Sunk in 1912
  Nurulbahir 200 1908 Italy Out of service in 1913
RIVER GUNBOATS          
  Doğan 250 1911 Germany Sunk in 1917
shipicon.gif.png Selman-ı Pak 98 1915 (seized) Britain Out of service in 1917
MINELAYERS          
  Giresun (storage ship) 3,000 1910 (bought) Britain Scrapped in 1927
  İntibah 600 1912 (bought Britain Out of service in 1958
  Selanik 270 1911 (seized) Britain Scrapped in 1927
  Samsun 270 1910 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1915
shipicon.gif.png Nusrat 360 1911 Germany Out of service in 1955
  Muzaffer 70 1914 Turkey Out of service in 1918
  Gayret 144 1907 (bought) Britain Scrapped in 1927
  Nilüfer 1,000 1911 (bought) Britain Sunk in 1914
  Ron 200 1914 (seized) Britain

Sunk in 1914

 

Cheers


S.B

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Felix C

Speaking of Ger. submarines, Also found this at a Russian Site:

HIPS AND SHIPS SUNK, DAMAGED AND CAPTURED BY
GERMAN SUBMARINES ON THE BLACK SEA 1915-1918.

“UB-8” 09.09.1915 ShK “Employee” (102 brt).
"UB-8" 09.09.1915 ShK "Pokorny" (121 brt).
“UB-8” 09.09.1915 ShK “Benefactor” (85 brt).
UB-8 09/11/1915 ShH "Melitina" (108 brt).
"UB-7" 09/15/1915 "Patagonia" ( "Patagonia" , 1913, 6011 brt)
"UB-14" 10/07/1915 PK "Katya" (1904, 474 brt).
"UB-14" 10/08/1915 TN "Absheron" ( "Apscheron" , 1887, 1850 brt)
"UC-13" 11/22/1915 ShH "Ukraine"(127 bt)
"UC-13" 11/22/1915 ShK "Marusya-Raya" (158 brt).
"UC-13" 11/22/1915 TR "Transport number 57" ( "Rostov" , 1867, 1280 brt), was commissioned.
"UC-13" 11/23/1915 ShH "?" (? Brt).
"UC-13" 11/23/1915 ShH "?" (? Brt).
“U-33” 03.30.1916 “Portugal” GS (fr. “Portugal” , 1886, 5357 brt).
"U-33" 03/31/1916 PH "King Albert" (Belgian "Roi Albert" , 1911, 2853 brt). Put into operation.
"U-33" 03/31/1916 ShK "?" (7 brt).
"U-33" 03/04/1916 T-33 "T-33"( Enrietta , 1904, 442 brt) finished off with artillery fire.
"UB-7" 04/08/1916 ShK "Saldagan" (75 brt).
"UB-7" 04/09/1916 ShH "Dream" (119 brt).
"UC-15" 04/25/1916 EM "tenacious" , mine.
"UC-15" 04/25/1916 ShH "St. St. George the Victorious ” (112 brts) by subversive ammunition.
“U-33” April 28, 1916 ShK “Angelica” (170 bt).
“U-33” 28.04 1916 ShK “Lucy” (ca. 50 brt).
“U-33” 28.04 1916 ShK “?” (300 brt).
"UC-15" 05/28/1916 ShH "Nikolay" (? Brt), mine.
“U-38” 08.06.1916 TR “Transport No. 77” ( “Cement Circle” , 1914, 1086 brt).
“U-38” 06/08/1916 TR “Transport No. 21” ( “Vera” , 1870, 1231 brt), is damaged.
"U-38" 06/08/1916 TR "Transport number 29" ( "Little Russia" , 1905, 893 brt), is damaged.
"U-38" 06/08/1916 ShK "Ekaterina" (149 brt).
"U-38" June 10, 1916 , Orion Khimki (1860, 429 brt) artillery.
"UC-15" 06/12/1916 barge (? Brt), mine.
“UC-15” June 15, 1916 “Mercury” PCh (1910, 762 brt), mine.
“U-38” 07/02/1916 TR “Transport No. 55” (b. Eng. “Rockliffe” PCh , 1904, 3073 grt). finished off the "Midili".
"U-38" 07/04/1916 PX "?" (Approx. 500 brt) artillery, rushed to the shore.
"U-38" 07/08/1916 GS "Forward" (1898, 3234 brt).
"U-38" 07/10/1916 TR "Transport number 72" (B. Austrian HRS Florida , 1900, 3238 brt).
"U-33" 08/15/1916 ShK "?" (? Brt) rushed to the shore.
"UB-7" 08/31/1916 ShK "?" (78 brt).
"UB-45" 08/31/1916 TR "Transport number 108" (the former Italian "Tevere" , 1911, 2666 brt).
“UB-45” 09/02/1916 TR “Transport No. 22” (former Austrian “Gioconda” , 1902, 3701 brt).
“UB-42” 09/03/1916 TR “Transport No. 48” ( “Peter Darcy” , 1882, 731 brt).
"U-33" 15 (18) .09.1916 3 (2) fishing longboats (Romania), boarding party.
"UB-42" 10/5/1916 ShH "St. Nikolai ” (34 grt).
"UB-42" 10/19/1916 TR "Transport number 75" ( "The Queen" , 1886, 2891 brt), is damaged.
"UB-46" 11.11.1916 ShK "Melania" (117 brt).
"UB-14" 05.06.1917 ShK "Karasund"(155 bt)
"UB-42" 10.10.1917 HRF "?" (Approx. 3000 brt).
“UB-42” 10/11/1917 ShKh “Agios Georgios” (123 grt).
"UB-42" 11/22/1917 TR "Transport number 98" (the former Italian "Siracusa" , 1881, 1086 brt).
UB-42 11.11.1917 ShH Francesco Patrino (112 grt).
"UC-23" 03.21.1918 KTSCH "?" (? T).
"UC-23" 04/11/1918 T-342 TShch ( "Trud" , 1891, 610 brt) was captured.
"UC-23" 04/14/1918 TR "Transport number 35" ( "Cossack" , 1890, 622 brt) captured.
"UC-23"04/14/1918 T-351 TSS ( Olga , 1880, 327 GW) captured.
"UC-23" 04.14.1918 barge (about 100 grt).
"UC-23" 04/25/1918 The Rostov Rostov Cultures (1867, 1280 brts) rushed ashore, lost.
"UB-14" 04/30/1918 HRP "?" Is damaged.
"UB-42" 05/16/1918 PMSH "Sergey" (96 brts) captured.

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stevebecker

Mate,

 

Interesting;

 

The U Boat net shows only one ship sunk by UB 8 

 

UB 8 had 14 war patrols but does not show on what patrol she engaged these ships, but did not claim any sunk?

 

"UB-8” 09.09.1915 ShK “Employee” (102 brt).
"UB-8" 09.09.1915 ShK "Pokorny" (121 brt).
“UB-8” 09.09.1915 ShK “Benefactor” (85 brt).
UB-8 09/11/1915 ShH "Melitina" (108 brt)."

 

Were they sunk or damaged?

 

One for Micheal

 

Cheers


S.B

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Felix C
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Russian website. Perhaps attribution is off. Will have to look around.

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