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On 16/02/2019 at 12:36, ARABIS said:

You are most welcome. Attached is a photo of the WW1 trio, Messina Medal, and Constantinople Medal awarded to Colour Sergeant J. Pickering R.M.L.I.

 

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Thanks for the photo - a most interesting group!

 

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Dear Keith History Buff,

 

I don't think they are all on the Find my Past version of the medal roll - I couldn't see RMB 59 Carter, Henry, born 27th. January 1886.

 

However, thanks for pointing out the existence of the roll - I am sure it will be more inclusive than the men's service records regarding Pip, Squeak and Wilfred.

 

aim

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Dear Sea Jane and 58 Div Mule,

 

This looks like an awfully interesting book, but being out of print the price has risen! Perhaps my local library can find a copy for me to borrow.

 

aim

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If you promise to send it back, I can lend you my copy ...

[nervously]

sJ

Or there are a few copies round the country, so inter-library loan may work.

 

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On 14/02/2019 at 18:43, Coldstreamer said:

I don't see the connection to ww1 sorry, this is what skindles is for 

 

Skindles appears to be a restaurant in Maidenhead, unless there's another one I don't know about........

 

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On 18/02/2019 at 23:23, seaJane said:

If you promise to send it back, I can lend you my copy ...

[nervously]

sJ

Or there are a few copies round the country, so inter-library loan may work.

 

 

Apparently my local library can only get books on inter-library loan from other local libraries in Greater London.

 

I have found used copies on the web from £32-80 to £310-79, and ordered a £32-80 one. Thank you for your amazingly kind offer, but i wouldn't dare upset a Lieutenant-General!

 

aim.

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:) I'm quite fluffy really.

For a Lieutenant-General ... 

 

(Just checked, and that's equivalent to a Vice-Admiral RN. Coo.)

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On 18/02/2019 at 21:37, aim said:

Dear Keith History Buff,

 

I don't think they are all on the Find my Past version of the medal roll - I couldn't see RMB 59 Carter, Henry, born 27th. January 1886.

 

However, thanks for pointing out the existence of the roll - I am sure it will be more inclusive than the men's service records regarding Pip, Squeak and Wilfred.

 

aim


Hi,

I get the impression that when Jack Marshall was compiling his medal roll, that he happened to come across obituaries for all those men that I mentioned, and that it was their obituaries that mentioned they were awarded the Messina medal. There are some useful notes on that roll, accessible via FMP.

Thanks, 
Keith

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1 hour ago, aim said:

 

Skindles appears to be a restaurant in Maidenhead, unless there's another one I don't know about........

 

aim

 

It's an off ww1 topic discussion thread on this forum,  you can ask anything there which is why I mentioned it

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  • 4 years later...

Mates,

Do you have a record of this sailor receiving this medal?

TOPAL    Henry James    404    Pte    1 LH Bde Trn    5Co AASC AAMC Medical Orderly att 1 AGH RTA MU cause not found? disch 22-9-15 MU relist AMC AN&NEF (591) Tos A/Cpl Rabaul 11-17 Ex ASect/3 FAmb (154) DNE worked in PNG post war later WWII Sgt NSW Recruiting (N101602) & (N87892) (mentioned captured by Japanese in PNG N/R?) AKA Henry James Issac Topal a Jewish soldier (British Royal Navy on "HMS Canopus" at Massina Earthquake 1908 and Somaliland 1909 5 years & RAMC TF 2 years)     

 Dispenser    24    Brisbane Qld / Ashfield NSW    

Enl 9-9-14 11-6-17    RTA 10-6-15 RTA 25-3-18    

NoK Stepney Green London UK
 

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An interesting RN career 1907 to 1912, starting as a boy seaman and transferring to sick berth attendant in 1910.  Discharged "Unfit" (Inferior Ability in rating)   -   https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6741378

Served in ship's company of HMS CANOPUS April 1908 to December 1909 so, presumably, qualified (f he was landed) for Messina medal as stated.

PS - CANOPUS did not qualify for the Somaliland 1908-1910 clasp to the Naval GS Medal.]

PPS - After a check of the medal roll I do not think she qualified for Messina either.

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Thanks H,

Possibly why he made no claim to these medals

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