RDubFus Posted 12 February , 2019 Share Posted 12 February , 2019 (edited) I am researching Sgt. William Simpson, who was a friends Grandfather. I cannot find any Service Records , only index Cards and medal roll. I have found he received the Meritorious Service Medal but cannot find details. I wonder also what year he joined the RDF . His reg. no. 6668 The medal Card says : Awarded the Meritorious Service Medal Corps: 182 Coy Labour corps Reg. No. 109014 William Simpson Rank: Sgt (A/C S. Mjr) Date of Gazette: Peace gazette sup. Registered Paper : 01375618 Schedule No: 281176 It is ink stamped FRANCE. He was badly effected mentally during the war and then saw his young Daughter killed by a Tram in Dublin soon after. Sadly ,William was eventually admitted to Grangegorman Mental Hospital where he lived out the rest of his life. Apparently he talked often about being on Burial detail so I assume this must have been a part of his Company's duties. Any help would be appreciated. Edited 31 May , 2019 by RDubFus Grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTSCF Fareham Posted 12 February , 2019 Share Posted 12 February , 2019 109014 , Labour Corp - Discharged from service 27/04/1919 to 53 New Street, Dublin Mentions a gunshot wound to right forearm and two initials that look like D A The above taken from his pension ledger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTSCF Fareham Posted 12 February , 2019 Share Posted 12 February , 2019 This may assist with getting an idea of when he enlisted with the RDF http://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/2009/06/royal-dublin-fusiliers-1st-2nd.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 13 February , 2019 Share Posted 13 February , 2019 R DubFus Welcome. His MSM is in the London Gazette 14/10/1919 issue 31602 page 12757. Confirms Sjt (A CSM), 182 Company (Dublin). Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jervis Posted 13 February , 2019 Share Posted 13 February , 2019 There was a book written about the treatment of the Great War veterans in Grangegormon or as it was known then the Richmond asylum. Your friend maybe interested. See link. He lost himself completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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corisande Posted 13 February , 2019 Share Posted 13 February , 2019 It is worth your while checking the facts 1. I cannot find the death of a young Simpson in Dublin 1915 to 1925 2. I cannot find anything in the press of a young girl being killed A bit of digging by you may unearth something, or feedback from the family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDubFus Posted 16 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2019 On 13/02/2019 at 19:16, brianmorris547 said: R DubFus Welcome. His MSM is in the London Gazette 14/10/1919 issue 31602 page 12757. Confirms Sjt (A CSM), 182 Company (Dublin). Brian Thank You Brian. Does it give any reason why he was awarded this medal or is it just part of a list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 16 February , 2019 Share Posted 16 February , 2019 No, this issue of the LG was for the MSM only and records the same for all recipients: In recognition of valuable services rendered with the Armies in France and Flanders. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDubFus Posted 16 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2019 On 12/02/2019 at 21:44, HTSCF Fareham said: 109014 , Labour Corp - Discharged from service 27/04/1919 to 53 New Street, Dublin Mentions a gunshot wound to right forearm and two initials that look like D A The above taken from his pension ledger. Thanks for info. DA is actually DAH & means Disorderly of the Heart (referred to as effort syndrome or soldiers heart), often the result of stress or fatigue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDubFus Posted 16 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2019 On 12/02/2019 at 21:47, HTSCF Fareham said: This may assist with getting an idea of when he enlisted with the RDF http://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/2009/06/royal-dublin-fusiliers-1st-2nd.html I have checked a couple of RDF no.s before and they correspond with the years , but William was born in 1888 so he should be too young to have such a Low no. 6668 unless they had boy soldiers of some kind. I have not been able to find any Service records so I don't know where he served or when he joined. His occupation at the 1911 census was a Whipmaker. I think he must have had service in RDF before the war in order to have risen to Sergeant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDubFus Posted 16 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2019 3 hours ago, brianmorris547 said: No, this issue of the LG was for the MSM only and records the same for all recipients: In recognition of valuable services rendered with the Armies in France and Flanders. Brian Brian, I found it. Thats a great. I had spent hours and hours scrolling through various London Gazettes. The family will be very pleased to see this in print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDubFus Posted 16 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2019 On 13/02/2019 at 20:43, corisande said: It is worth your while checking the facts 1. I cannot find the death of a young Simpson in Dublin 1915 to 1925 2. I cannot find anything in the press of a young girl being killed A bit of digging by you may unearth something, or feedback from the family Thanks for the help. The family are amendment that the accident with the tram sent him over the edge and he went to Grangegorman thereafter. The date is unclear. i think he had 9 children (but only 1 in 1911 census). he lived a long life. My friend would visit him on sundays with his Dad and bring him out for a couple of hours , this was in the 1950s. The child who died might have been nellie or Ellen. Very frustrating not being able to find any Attestment or service records On 13/02/2019 at 20:29, Jervis said: There was a book written about the treatment of the Great War veterans in Grangegormon or as it was known then the Richmond asylum. Your friend maybe interested. See link. He lost himself completely I will track this book down, Thank You. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 17 February , 2019 Share Posted 17 February , 2019 10 hours ago, RDubFus said: Brian, I found it. Thats a great. I had spent hours and hours scrolling through various London Gazettes. The family will be very pleased to see this in print. I find the easiest way is to search with the service number and the date range up to 31/12/1919. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
182LCLC Posted 20 April , 2019 Share Posted 20 April , 2019 from 182 LC LC Hi Gerard here , my grandfather Patrick Short 109037 served in the 182nd Labour Co. from 1917 to 1919 , he was a in Pte 339 1st Inf. Labour Coy Royal Irish Regiment before it became the 182nd Labour Coy. in 1917 . In the Glasnevin Cemetery records I found a record of burial for Louisa Carroll Simpson who died 28/04/1919 Age 3 : Female : Occupation of Father Whip Makers Child : Last Address 53 New Street : Record Number S82225 : Date of Interment 29/04/1919 : Section St Pauls Letter QB 65.5 : Glasnevin : Religion Catholic : The child of William and Teresa Simpson : Cause of Death Meningitis : The person who arranged the burial was William Simpson 53 New St . The diary of 198th Labour Coy has details of the tasks , dates and locations where the 182nd were operating , burials was one of their many tasks. In the IWM I discovered the Private Papers of the OC of 182nd LC Capt A McCormick . I have another project ongoing that is to research all who served in 182nd along side my Grandfather Patrick Short. If you would like more information please reply to the post Regards Gerard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
182LCLC Posted 20 April , 2019 Share Posted 20 April , 2019 from 182 LC LC Hi Gerard here , my grandfather Patrick Short 109037 served in the 182nd Labour Co. from 1917 to 1919 , he was a in Pte 339 1st Inf. Labour Coy Royal Irish Regiment before it became the 182nd Labour Coy. in 1917 . In the Glasnevin Cemetery records I found a record of burial for Louisa Carroll Simpson who died 28/04/1919 Age 3 : Female : Occupation of Father Whip Makers Child : Last Address 53 New Street : Record Number S82225 : Date of Interment 29/04/1919 : Section St Pauls Letter QB 65.5 : Glasnevin : Religion Catholic : The child of William and Teresa Simpson : Cause of Death Meningitis : The person who arranged the burial was William Simpson 53 New St . The diary of 198th Labour Coy has details of the tasks , dates and locations where the 182nd were operating , burials was one of their many tasks. In the IWM I discovered the Private Papers of the OC of 182nd LC Capt A McCormick . I have another project ongoing that is to research all who served in 182nd along side my Grandfather Patrick Short. If you would like more information please reply to the post Regards Gerard PS just located a Death Cert for Louisa Carmel ( Carroll in the Glasnevin Records ) Simpson Death Registered in Dublin South Apr - May - June 1919 Death Age 2 : Volume 2 Page 572 In the GRO : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jervis Posted 21 April , 2019 Share Posted 21 April , 2019 Well done Gerard on finding the records. Meningitis has been known to occur following head injuries, so it is still consistent with the family recollection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
182LCLC Posted 21 April , 2019 Share Posted 21 April , 2019 Hi. If you go to 182LCLC. You can view the war diary for 198 LCLC. Do you have a DOD for William Simpson . I will check Private Papers of Capt A McCormick for any reference to William Simpson. Regards Gerard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
182LCLC Posted 21 April , 2019 Share Posted 21 April , 2019 I have located the Death Cert for Louisa Carmel Simpson and have attached same : I have a number of observations to make about the details on her death cert . She died at home : 53 New Street : if there was a tram accident I would have expected to see the name of a hospital mentioned : The cause of death Meningitis 3 days and Certified ( she was seen by a doctor) : An accident involving tram would have given rise to a Coroners Inquest ( and this would be mentioned on a death cert) . In Section 26 Page 101 " Vin Blank" in the private papers of Capt A McCormick , he talks about a Sergeant Major ( by rank only) "an Irishman too" I will conduct further research William Simpson : Regards Gerard 4420526 Death Cert of Louisa Carmel Simpson dublin south Volume 2 Page 572 28Apr1919.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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