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Anthonylindsay

Albert Guy Chant 39580 Driver, Gunner. This is my great grandad who was in the 130th battery in Athelone before WW1 broke out but in 1914 (I think) he was placed into the 44th Brigade Royal Field Artillery. Don’t know where he fought but I know he arrived in Dieppe and was awarded medals. Don’t know what medals but any information would be amazing thank you :) If anyone knows or has anything to do with him E.G photos, paperwork, medals or badges I am willing to buy

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ajsmith

He was awarded the 1914 Star, Victory Medal and British War Medal. 

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Anthonylindsay
43 minutes ago, ajsmith said:

He was awarded the 1914 Star, Victory Medal and British War Medal. 

Do you know how I can retrieve these thank you for your help

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The Inspector

Hi

His service records are available on Ancestry, 15 pages, you are in luck.https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1219&h=308183&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=xTS1168&_phstart=successSource

 

Regards Barry

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Anthonylindsay
1 minute ago, The Inspector said:

Thank 

 

1 minute ago, The Inspector said:

Thank you Barry I have looked at his records before but couldn’t understand everything regarding where he was in France and where he served. Thank you very much though 

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The Inspector

HI Anthony

Can I suggest you let the forum know exactly what you do know, it saves a lot of time and searching. Regarding retrieving his medals then it looks like you won't be able to as his MIC and the medal award rolls do not show the medals were returned. They would have been sent out by post.

If you go to the Ancestry site for the MICs or any other section regarding Albert you can leave a message on screen stating you are searching for his medals.

Regards Barry.

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Michelle Young

Have you read the guide on how to research a soldier on the Long Long Trail website? It will help I'm sure. Re the medals you can post on the British Medal Forum that you are looking for them, and I believe there's a way of doing this on eBay as well. 

 

Michelle 

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Anthonylindsay

Thanks guys

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DavidOwen

Anthony

If you know they aren't in the Family elsewhere then try posting in the Family seeking medals section here https://britishmedalforum.com

David

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30 minutes ago, DavidOwen said:

Anthony

If you know they aren't in the Family elsewhere then try posting in the Family seeking medals section here https://britishmedalforum.com

David

Cheers mate thank you

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battiscombe

I have not found more information on Chant except that he enlisted in 1905.. served 3 years and remained a reservist, and a such mobilised in 1914 when posted to 44th Brigade. What part of Brigade in unclear: as a mobilised reservist this may have been the Ammunition Column [as a new creation] but could have joined one of its batteries... and may well have moved to another Brigade in 2nd Division [36 or 41 Brigade] , or the Divisional Ammunition Column by 1916 when the 44th Bde was broken up [a new Brigade with that number was formed later in the war but was entirely different] . I have not seen his name mentioned in other records relating the Division .. As 60thy Bty went to Mesopotamia as i recall he was probably not in that..

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36 minutes ago, battiscombe said:

I have not found more information on Chant except that he enlisted in 1905.. served 3 years and remained a reservist, and a such mobilised in 1914 when posted to 44th Brigade. What part of Brigade in unclear: as a mobilised reservist this may have been the Ammunition Column [as a new creation] but could have joined one of its batteries... and may well have moved to another Brigade in 2nd Division [36 or 41 Brigade] , or the Divisional Ammunition Column by 1916 when the 44th Bde was broken up [a new Brigade with that number was formed later in the war but was entirely different] . I have not seen his name mentioned in other records relating the Division .. As 60thy Bty went to Mesopotamia as i recall he was probably not in that..

Thank you, do you reckon he saw action?

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Mark1959

There is a B103 Form in his docs. This shows

Proceeded Overseas with 47th Battery 14/8/14. The medal rolls show 16/8/14

27/5/16 To  2 DAC (Divisional Ammunition Column) on re-organisation. This supports Battiscombe's theory.

5/10/17 to Base

2/11/17 - Posted to A Battery 59th Brigade

11/2/18 Attached 11 Division Artillery School

5/3/18 - ceased to be attached to the school - so back to 59th Brigade

20/4/18 - Admitted to 34 Field Ambulance for Piles

11/6/18 - to England on Hospital Ship "Dieppe"

After that posted to Reserve Batteries in UK

3/9/18 - Back to France

21/9/18 - To C Battery 121 Brigade

29/9/18 - Admitted to 131 Field Ambulance - Dysentery

21/10/18 to England on Hospital Ship Formosa

Discharged around 13/1/1919 from 60 Reserve Battery that was in Abbey Wood SE2.

As often happens with ancestry the first page you see is not the first page of the record. Use the left mid screen button rather than the right to see the B103.etc. Keep going to the start of his record

There are men on his page of the 1914 Star medal roll with the clasp and roses. He probably never applied.To get these it is generally understood you had to be involved in action prior to 22/11/14. So the answer to the latest question is Yes.

 

Now we have a history of his units we can look at where he was etc - by looking at War Diaries etc. Bit late tonight. I will see if they are available on ancestry and if not look at the National Archives.

 

Hope this helps. Piles and Dysentery within a few months - not a happy chappy I suspect!! Have had the latter in South America  - I have every sympathy.

 

 

 

 

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Anthonylindsay

Thank you so much for this information it means a lot thank you very much

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Mark1959

Will have a look again tomorrow and advise further on where possibly to go for further research

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Mark1959

You will see from

http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-royal-artillery-in-the-first-world-war/batteries-and-brigades-of-the-royal-field-artillery/xliv-howitzer-brigade-of-the-royal-field-artillery/

that 47 Battery was in 44 Brigade RFA (the unit on his medal records) which was part of the 2nd Division

The 44 the Brigade war diary is in ancestry

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=Jsm1884&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=ukwardiarieswwi&cp=0&_F0007CF4=royal field artillery&_F0007CF4_x=1&_F00088EF=44 brigade&new=1&rank=1&redir=false&uidh=aoc&gss=angs-d&pcat=39&fh=2&h=361949&recoff=&ml_rpos=3

Looks from the first link that the 47th Battery was moved to another Brigade within the 2nd Division in May 1915. However looking at the war diary and

http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-royal-artillery-in-the-first-world-war/batteries-and-brigades-of-the-royal-field-artillery/xli-brigade-of-the-royal-field-artillery/ I think this should read May 1916. The 47th moved to the 41st. This matches his date of transfer to 2 DAC. Think it likely he was still with 47th Battery

The 41st Brigade is in the same diary as the 44th. The War Diary is all over the place. The ancestry link takes you to page 172 that is the 44th brigade Aug 1914 start. page 1 onwards is 41st Brigade from Jan 17th to end of war.

 

There seems to be a gap in the diaries of May 1916 to Dec 1916 that I will investigate.

So basically you have a lot of reading to plough through. He will not be named but by following the 2nd Division's actions you will be able to work out where he was and what the artillery were up to. Not sure how deep you want to dig. 

This summary of which battles the Second Division took part in may provide some clarity. Remember we know he was with someone else from Oct 1917 onwards

http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/order-of-battle-of-divisions/2nd-division/

I will look at his service after October 1917 later. Off to a friend's 64th.

 

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Anthonylindsay

Cheers mate really appreciate this enjoy the party wish them well from me :)

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Mark1959

Struggling to find the 59th Brigade RFA War Diary on ancestry. But it can be downloaded from

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7352592

£3.50

This will cover the time he spent with that unit from early November 1917 to when he got ill. Minus, of course, the time he spent at the Artillery School

There is a little on the Brigade at

http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-royal-artillery-in-the-first-world-war/batteries-and-brigades-of-the-royal-field-artillery/lviii-lix-lx-and-lxi-howitzer-brigades-of-the-royal-field-artillery-11th-divisional-artillery/

Not sure there is a lot to be gained trying to find 121 Brigade RFA as he was only with them 8 days in Sept 1918 before contracting dysentery.

So I think that is about it. Still looking for the diaries from May-Dec 1916 and will post a link here if I find 

Plenty to get your teeth. If the docs raise other questions we will try to help.

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On 09/02/2019 at 15:42, Anthonylindsay said:

Albert Guy Chant 39580 Driver, Gunner. This is my great grandad who was in the 130th battery in Athelone before WW1 broke out but in 1914 (I think) he was placed into the 44th Brigade Royal Field Artillery. Don’t know where he fought but I know he arrived in Dieppe and was awarded medals. Don’t know what medals but any information would be amazing thank you :)

 

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This is everything I have on him but I don’t quite understand any of it as I have no military knowledge 

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Anthonylindsay
On 09/02/2019 at 15:42, Anthonylindsay said:

Albert Guy Chant 39580 Driver, Gunner. This is my great grandad who was in the 130th battery in Athelone before WW1 broke out but in 1914 (I think) he was placed into the 44th Brigade Royal Field Artillery. Don’t know where he fought but I know he arrived in Dieppe and was awarded medals. Don’t know what medals but any information would be amazing thank you :)

 

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George Rayner

I think you are showing two different soldiers in previous post.

Looks as though Albert G Chant received Victory Medal, BWM and 1914 star...but I'm not certain!

 

George

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Anthonylindsay

Do you think he is entitled to anymore?

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ajsmith
On 12/02/2019 at 12:19, Anthonylindsay said:

Do you think he is entitled to anymore?

I don't think so the only possibility would be a gallantry award and he doesn't appear on those rolls.

 

Tony

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ajsmith

That's the reference to his MIC referring to his campaign trio.

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