Anthonylindsay Posted 9 February , 2019 Share Posted 9 February , 2019 (edited) Albert Guy Chant 39580 Driver, Gunner. This is my great grandad who was in the 130th battery in Athelone before WW1 broke out but in 1914 (I think) he was placed into the 44th Brigade Royal Field Artillery. Don’t know where he fought but I know he arrived in Dieppe and was awarded medals. Don’t know what medals but any information would be amazing thank you If anyone knows or has anything to do with him E.G photos, paperwork, medals or badges I am willing to buy Edited 12 February , 2019 by Anthonylindsay Adding new info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajsmith Posted 9 February , 2019 Share Posted 9 February , 2019 He was awarded the 1914 Star, Victory Medal and British War Medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthonylindsay Posted 9 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 9 February , 2019 43 minutes ago, ajsmith said: He was awarded the 1914 Star, Victory Medal and British War Medal. Do you know how I can retrieve these thank you for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 9 February , 2019 Share Posted 9 February , 2019 (edited) Hi His service records are available on Ancestry, 15 pages, you are in luck.https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1219&h=308183&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=xTS1168&_phstart=successSource Regards Barry Edited 9 February , 2019 by The Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthonylindsay Posted 9 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 9 February , 2019 1 minute ago, The Inspector said: Hi His service records are available on Ancestry, 15 pages, you are in luck.https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1219&h=308183&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=xTS1168&_phstart=successSource Regards Barry Thank 1 minute ago, The Inspector said: Hi His service records are available on Ancestry, 15 pages, you are in luck.https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1219&h=308183&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=xTS1168&_phstart=successSource Regards Barry Thank you Barry I have looked at his records before but couldn’t understand everything regarding where he was in France and where he served. Thank you very much though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 9 February , 2019 Share Posted 9 February , 2019 HI Anthony Can I suggest you let the forum know exactly what you do know, it saves a lot of time and searching. Regarding retrieving his medals then it looks like you won't be able to as his MIC and the medal award rolls do not show the medals were returned. They would have been sent out by post. If you go to the Ancestry site for the MICs or any other section regarding Albert you can leave a message on screen stating you are searching for his medals. Regards Barry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 9 February , 2019 Admin Share Posted 9 February , 2019 Have you read the guide on how to research a soldier on the Long Long Trail website? It will help I'm sure. Re the medals you can post on the British Medal Forum that you are looking for them, and I believe there's a way of doing this on eBay as well. Michelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthonylindsay Posted 9 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 9 February , 2019 Thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 9 February , 2019 Admin Share Posted 9 February , 2019 Anthony If you know they aren't in the Family elsewhere then try posting in the Family seeking medals section here https://britishmedalforum.com David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthonylindsay Posted 9 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 9 February , 2019 30 minutes ago, DavidOwen said: Anthony If you know they aren't in the Family elsewhere then try posting in the Family seeking medals section here https://britishmedalforum.com David Cheers mate thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battiscombe Posted 9 February , 2019 Share Posted 9 February , 2019 (edited) I have not found more information on Chant except that he enlisted in 1905.. served 3 years and remained a reservist, and a such mobilised in 1914 when posted to 44th Brigade. What part of Brigade in unclear: as a mobilised reservist this may have been the Ammunition Column [as a new creation] but could have joined one of its batteries... and may well have moved to another Brigade in 2nd Division [36 or 41 Brigade] , or the Divisional Ammunition Column by 1916 when the 44th Bde was broken up [a new Brigade with that number was formed later in the war but was entirely different] . I have not seen his name mentioned in other records relating the Division .. As 60thy Bty went to Mesopotamia as i recall he was probably not in that.. Edited 9 February , 2019 by battiscombe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthonylindsay Posted 9 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 9 February , 2019 36 minutes ago, battiscombe said: I have not found more information on Chant except that he enlisted in 1905.. served 3 years and remained a reservist, and a such mobilised in 1914 when posted to 44th Brigade. What part of Brigade in unclear: as a mobilised reservist this may have been the Ammunition Column [as a new creation] but could have joined one of its batteries... and may well have moved to another Brigade in 2nd Division [36 or 41 Brigade] , or the Divisional Ammunition Column by 1916 when the 44th Bde was broken up [a new Brigade with that number was formed later in the war but was entirely different] . I have not seen his name mentioned in other records relating the Division .. As 60thy Bty went to Mesopotamia as i recall he was probably not in that.. Thank you, do you reckon he saw action? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 9 February , 2019 Share Posted 9 February , 2019 (edited) There is a B103 Form in his docs. This shows Proceeded Overseas with 47th Battery 14/8/14. The medal rolls show 16/8/14 27/5/16 To 2 DAC (Divisional Ammunition Column) on re-organisation. This supports Battiscombe's theory. 5/10/17 to Base 2/11/17 - Posted to A Battery 59th Brigade 11/2/18 Attached 11 Division Artillery School 5/3/18 - ceased to be attached to the school - so back to 59th Brigade 20/4/18 - Admitted to 34 Field Ambulance for Piles 11/6/18 - to England on Hospital Ship "Dieppe" After that posted to Reserve Batteries in UK 3/9/18 - Back to France 21/9/18 - To C Battery 121 Brigade 29/9/18 - Admitted to 131 Field Ambulance - Dysentery 21/10/18 to England on Hospital Ship Formosa Discharged around 13/1/1919 from 60 Reserve Battery that was in Abbey Wood SE2. As often happens with ancestry the first page you see is not the first page of the record. Use the left mid screen button rather than the right to see the B103.etc. Keep going to the start of his record There are men on his page of the 1914 Star medal roll with the clasp and roses. He probably never applied.To get these it is generally understood you had to be involved in action prior to 22/11/14. So the answer to the latest question is Yes. Now we have a history of his units we can look at where he was etc - by looking at War Diaries etc. Bit late tonight. I will see if they are available on ancestry and if not look at the National Archives. Hope this helps. Piles and Dysentery within a few months - not a happy chappy I suspect!! Have had the latter in South America - I have every sympathy. Edited 9 February , 2019 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthonylindsay Posted 9 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 9 February , 2019 Thank you so much for this information it means a lot thank you very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 9 February , 2019 Share Posted 9 February , 2019 Will have a look again tomorrow and advise further on where possibly to go for further research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 10 February , 2019 Share Posted 10 February , 2019 (edited) You will see from http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-royal-artillery-in-the-first-world-war/batteries-and-brigades-of-the-royal-field-artillery/xliv-howitzer-brigade-of-the-royal-field-artillery/ that 47 Battery was in 44 Brigade RFA (the unit on his medal records) which was part of the 2nd Division The 44 the Brigade war diary is in ancestry https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=Jsm1884&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=ukwardiarieswwi&cp=0&_F0007CF4=royal field artillery&_F0007CF4_x=1&_F00088EF=44 brigade&new=1&rank=1&redir=false&uidh=aoc&gss=angs-d&pcat=39&fh=2&h=361949&recoff=&ml_rpos=3 Looks from the first link that the 47th Battery was moved to another Brigade within the 2nd Division in May 1915. However looking at the war diary and http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-royal-artillery-in-the-first-world-war/batteries-and-brigades-of-the-royal-field-artillery/xli-brigade-of-the-royal-field-artillery/ I think this should read May 1916. The 47th moved to the 41st. This matches his date of transfer to 2 DAC. Think it likely he was still with 47th Battery The 41st Brigade is in the same diary as the 44th. The War Diary is all over the place. The ancestry link takes you to page 172 that is the 44th brigade Aug 1914 start. page 1 onwards is 41st Brigade from Jan 17th to end of war. There seems to be a gap in the diaries of May 1916 to Dec 1916 that I will investigate. So basically you have a lot of reading to plough through. He will not be named but by following the 2nd Division's actions you will be able to work out where he was and what the artillery were up to. Not sure how deep you want to dig. This summary of which battles the Second Division took part in may provide some clarity. Remember we know he was with someone else from Oct 1917 onwards http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/order-of-battle-of-divisions/2nd-division/ I will look at his service after October 1917 later. Off to a friend's 64th. Edited 10 February , 2019 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthonylindsay Posted 10 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 10 February , 2019 Cheers mate really appreciate this enjoy the party wish them well from me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 11 February , 2019 Share Posted 11 February , 2019 Struggling to find the 59th Brigade RFA War Diary on ancestry. But it can be downloaded from http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7352592 £3.50 This will cover the time he spent with that unit from early November 1917 to when he got ill. Minus, of course, the time he spent at the Artillery School There is a little on the Brigade at http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-royal-artillery-in-the-first-world-war/batteries-and-brigades-of-the-royal-field-artillery/lviii-lix-lx-and-lxi-howitzer-brigades-of-the-royal-field-artillery-11th-divisional-artillery/ Not sure there is a lot to be gained trying to find 121 Brigade RFA as he was only with them 8 days in Sept 1918 before contracting dysentery. So I think that is about it. Still looking for the diaries from May-Dec 1916 and will post a link here if I find Plenty to get your teeth. If the docs raise other questions we will try to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthonylindsay Posted 11 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 11 February , 2019 On 09/02/2019 at 15:42, Anthonylindsay said: Albert Guy Chant 39580 Driver, Gunner. This is my great grandad who was in the 130th battery in Athelone before WW1 broke out but in 1914 (I think) he was placed into the 44th Brigade Royal Field Artillery. Don’t know where he fought but I know he arrived in Dieppe and was awarded medals. Don’t know what medals but any information would be amazing thank you Just now, Anthonylindsay said: This is everything I have on him but I don’t quite understand any of it as I have no military knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthonylindsay Posted 12 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 12 February , 2019 On 09/02/2019 at 15:42, Anthonylindsay said: Albert Guy Chant 39580 Driver, Gunner. This is my great grandad who was in the 130th battery in Athelone before WW1 broke out but in 1914 (I think) he was placed into the 44th Brigade Royal Field Artillery. Don’t know where he fought but I know he arrived in Dieppe and was awarded medals. Don’t know what medals but any information would be amazing thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 12 February , 2019 Share Posted 12 February , 2019 I think you are showing two different soldiers in previous post. Looks as though Albert G Chant received Victory Medal, BWM and 1914 star...but I'm not certain! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthonylindsay Posted 12 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 12 February , 2019 Do you think he is entitled to anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajsmith Posted 13 February , 2019 Share Posted 13 February , 2019 On 12/02/2019 at 12:19, Anthonylindsay said: Do you think he is entitled to anymore? I don't think so the only possibility would be a gallantry award and he doesn't appear on those rolls. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ajsmith Posted 13 February , 2019 Share Posted 13 February , 2019 That's the reference to his MIC referring to his campaign trio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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