bigjo Posted 7 February , 2019 Share Posted 7 February , 2019 new to this but have a look at my ww1 smoke hood let me know your view on this rare item Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark holden Posted 7 February , 2019 Share Posted 7 February , 2019 Is this to help sell it on ebay where it is currently listed for sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave66 Posted 7 February , 2019 Share Posted 7 February , 2019 So it is,,,,well spotted Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjo Posted 8 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 8 February , 2019 1 hour ago, mark holden said: Is this to help sell it on ebay where it is currently listed for sale? no its not i bought this .it cost a lot to get it . they are rare but limited on info due to no other to compare with , ebay is a good starting point as they send you questions on as it got this and that , the only thing i know is that the it has two sets of stitching to the eye mask so all the help i can get will help on this if you watch the ebay listing it will be removed so as you all know try to get one that is original if you can , so please do not think that this is for a price on this as i know the value , of this item so please help me on this matter see last reply thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark holden Posted 8 February , 2019 Share Posted 8 February , 2019 (edited) Sorry but discussion of eBay items is not permitted on this forum. I am not sure of your reasoning you list it as 100% original so no further discussion required I would have thought? Edited 8 February , 2019 by mark holden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjo Posted 8 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 8 February , 2019 that's right but it helps if other people help to identify fake from real ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Brayley Posted 8 February , 2019 Share Posted 8 February , 2019 (edited) *ah just read above* I thought I saw this go at Auction a couple of days ago. Edited 8 February , 2019 by Toby Brayley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjo Posted 8 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 8 February , 2019 2 minutes ago, Toby Brayley said: We all gathered round the computer at work and watched it go at Auction on wednesday! If it is real you got it a good price! Can we have a look at the inside etc? When it arrives could you share more pictures with us, as these are very rare nowdays. thank you for the reply yes i was the same as you i took a chance on it i phoned the auction and asked them where it came from they said that it came from someone that had it for a long time and only new that it was from the first world war ,the only thing that drew me to it was that it is in great condition , and being limited on this type of rare item that it has just two stitching lines to the eyepiece of witch it should have , but like you it is one to get it in your hands and look at all the bits that should point to being real . i will let you know with photos of all angles if it is 95% looking real to me i will have it tested for chemicals that it should have , just to make sure it is the real item , but the auction house said that if it is not original they will take it back and refund me so not that bad , thanks andy ps if you know what to look for please let me know it would help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjo Posted 8 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 8 February , 2019 better photos i hope will help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark holden Posted 8 February , 2019 Share Posted 8 February , 2019 8 hours ago, bigjo said: that's right but it helps if other people help to identify fake from real ???? I am still unclear on your motivation for posting here. My scepticism is borne out of those who shamelessly use this forum to promote their items for sale or add credence to them. To quote your description not mine "100% original item very rare". So why do you need the input of this forum to confirm something you appear to already know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjo Posted 8 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 8 February , 2019 (edited) if i recall your name sure i have sold you items on ebay ,, most people use all sites just to make sure that the item is original . after all who wants to be ripped off if it/s is not an original item sites can determine weather is could be or not so if some say it isn't real and some say it is , and it is 50/50 , heads up ?? but if all say its bad , then why try to sell it as original Edited 8 February , 2019 by bigjo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRANVILLE Posted 8 February , 2019 Share Posted 8 February , 2019 Personally, I'd like to know what evidence there is that the hood is in fact 100% original etc. When I first saw the photos my instincts told me it was a suitable weathered modern repro and little has been said to change my mind. I find it hard to believe that the mica viewing visor has been around for 100yrs and remains in such excellent condition? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 8 February , 2019 Share Posted 8 February , 2019 Not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasemuseum Posted 8 February , 2019 Share Posted 8 February , 2019 In 1988/1989 Blunderbuss Antiques in London had a quantity of hypo smoke hoods in the bags. These were all in immaculate, unused condition. The retail price was about GBP200 which was a lot of money back then. I was unsure whether they were genuine or reproduction. In the end I chose not to buy one as I was just too uncertain. (Back then the UK was an Aladdin's cave to the WW1 collector, there was just so much fascinating material everywhere). The undamaged mica window of an otherwise unused example is not a damning issue. While celluloid windows deteriorate badly with age regardless of whether the item has been used or not, mica as a raw mineral product has minimal age deterioration. It is certainly fragile and easily damaged by handling but not by age. My uncertainty of 30 years ago remains. I lack the experience of handling unquestionably genuine examples to compare this to pass judgement one way or the other. Where this discussion has potential value is if individuals with suitable experience will share why this example is or is not original. Cheers Ross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjo Posted 9 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 9 February , 2019 19 hours ago, GRANVILLE said: Personally, I'd like to know what evidence there is that the hood is in fact 100% original etc. When I first saw the photos my instincts told me it was a suitable weathered modern repro and little has been said to change my mind. I find it hard to believe that the mica viewing visor has been around for 100yrs and remains in such excellent condition? David thank you that is a very good answer , and point , i will try to prove that it is original or determine that it is a good copy but how ??? that is way i ask you guys for the help and what i need to look for . need all the help thanks andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjo Posted 9 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 9 February , 2019 22 hours ago, Chasemuseum said: In 1988/1989 Blunderbuss Antiques in London had a quantity of hypo smoke hoods in the bags. These were all in immaculate, unused condition. The retail price was about GBP200 which was a lot of money back then. I was unsure whether they were genuine or reproduction. In the end I chose not to buy one as I was just too uncertain. (Back then the UK was an Aladdin's cave to the WW1 collector, there was just so much fascinating material everywhere). The undamaged mica window of an otherwise unused example is not a damning issue. While celluloid windows deteriorate badly with age regardless of whether the item has been used or not, mica as a raw mineral product has minimal age deterioration. It is certainly fragile and easily damaged by handling but not by age. My uncertainty of 30 years ago remains. I lack the experience of handling unquestionably genuine examples to compare this to pass judgement one way or the other. Where this discussion has potential value is if individuals with suitable experience will share why this example is or is not original. Cheers Ross THANK YOU ALL FOR THE HELP AND INFO HAVE NOW BACKED OUT OF THE SALE DUE TO MOST THINK IT IS A COPY MAYBE JUST MAYBE IT WAS THE BEST WW1 HOOD THAT ,SURVIVED..??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjo Posted 12 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 12 February , 2019 On 08/02/2019 at 09:55, mark holden said: Sorry but discussion of eBay items is not permitted on this forum. I am not sure of your reasoning you list it as 100% original so no further discussion required I would have thought? by OldBraggs I was present when this hood was found. It was folded into an old period chocolate box (don’t think of modern choccy boxes) and this was in a case. It was all covered in cobwebs and grime from an attic. We had no doubt about it. You could smell the chemicals in the fabric. We advised the owner to send it to auction as we had no idea of value. I think when you see it you will be reassured. I also noticed that the one on the IWM website has exactly the same carrying bag. Steve JUST TO SAY THAT THE DOUBT IS SOMETIMES WRONG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark holden Posted 17 February , 2019 Share Posted 17 February , 2019 I rest my case!!! Good to see Forum knowledge benefiting sellers again. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW1-BRITISH-RARE-HYPO-SMOKE-GAS-HOOD-MASK-1915/283383929320?hash=item41faff99e8:g:ursAAOSwRaFcXBTW:rk:12:pf:0 Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjo Posted 17 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 17 February , 2019 you really need to get a grip of things . the point of the forum is to identify fake and real items . not just to show what you bought ?? a part from that you could post it on the other web WR.. that you also post on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjo Posted 17 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 17 February , 2019 for got to say that you also sell on ebay , have you posted items on the forum and then sold them .. >> don.t call the kettle grimey when the frying pan is the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depaor01 Posted 17 February , 2019 Share Posted 17 February , 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, bigjo said: the point of the forum is to identify fake and real items That is absolutely not the point of this forum. Edited 17 February , 2019 by depaor01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjo Posted 17 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 17 February , 2019 so if i missed something why do people post photos of items , and ask hi guys thoughts on this ??? but i do appreciate that people help on other things , all in all the forum is there to help , not to make judgement on what people do with what they bought or how they sell it .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depaor01 Posted 17 February , 2019 Share Posted 17 February , 2019 Please read my post. I merely pointed out that identifying fake and real items is not the point of this forum. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithmroberts Posted 18 February , 2019 Share Posted 18 February , 2019 This thread has run its course. To be absolutely clear - we do not permit discussion on whether items offered for sale elsewhere are genuine or not. Keith Roberts GWF Team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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