michaeldr Posted 6 February , 2019 Share Posted 6 February , 2019 (edited) A Pal has very kindly sent me a link to photographs at the RAF Museum in a collection attributed to Wing Commander C. H. Hayward - https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=55380880%40N06&view_all=1&text=hayward gallipoli The photographs include shots of Gallipoli with a few of Suvla and I wonder if we can identify how C. H. Hayward came to be there. A Wiki search turns up a photograph including a C. H. Hayward from the first RAF Staff College course at Andover. This chap strongly resembles one who also appears in the collection as a Sub-Lieutenant with the RNAS Armoured Cars and elements of that unit went on to served at Gallipoli However, Flight International have C H Hayward gaining Aviators' Certificate No.1787 at Chingford on 24th September 1915 Was Flight Lieutenant Hayward later posted to the RNAS at Imbros and did he then somehow get across to the peninsula to do some photography there including at Suvla? [The only RNAS unit at Suvla as far as I know were the machine-gunners from the Armoured Car unit who took their guns up to Jephson's Post.] Thanks for your interest Michael Edited 6 February , 2019 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 6 February , 2019 Share Posted 6 February , 2019 Cecil Hugh HAYWARD. His RNAS record confirms that he was previously a Sub Lt RNVR attached to RNAS Armoured Cars (but no location). He was commissioned RNVR in November 1914 and was transferred to the RNAS as Flt Sub Lt 30 August 1915, appointed to RNAS Chingford. His RNVR record offers no clues either. He was a Flight Commander RNAS by 1917. His records offer no details of his movements that might suggest Suvla (or even Gallipoli) - so no help one way or the other I'm afraid, Michael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 6 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 February , 2019 Thanks for checking this H2 Much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 6 February , 2019 Share Posted 6 February , 2019 On review I have found that HAYWARD was commissioned as Ty. Hon 2/Lt RM on 2 Oct 1914 (November 1914 Navy List) and is also listed as Ty. Lt RM in the 1914 Star Roll as a Motor Owner Driver. Clearly the start of his involvement with armoured cars. leading to his transfer to RNVR (att RNAS) a month later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 6 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 February , 2019 46 minutes ago, horatio2 said: Hon 2/Lt RM on 2 Oct 1914 (November 1914 Navy List) and is also listed as Ty. Lt RM in the 1914 Star Roll as a Motor Owner Driver. Thanks again H2 This seems to be the Hon 2/Lt RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 6 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 February , 2019 (edited) and this the Sub-Lt with the RNAS Armoured Cars Edited 6 February , 2019 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 6 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 February , 2019 (edited) I've edited the above post as on reflection the cap badge indicates that in this photograph Hayward has graduated (?) to the flying side of the RNAS and finally seen here with his wings on his cuff Edited 6 February , 2019 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 6 February , 2019 Admin Share Posted 6 February , 2019 The same Cecil Hayward who listed as Capt RNAS has a number of photos listed in the IWM collections? Including some from the later conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 6 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 February , 2019 David, Can I trouble you for a link? I've put in Hayward and then Cecil Hayward, and drawn a blank each time I much prefered the IWM's old system thanks Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 6 February , 2019 Admin Share Posted 6 February , 2019 Of course Michael I just used Hayward but it looks as though most are not yet online, check out the "related content" links at the bottom of the page https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205003772 Regards David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 6 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 February , 2019 Thanks David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 6 February , 2019 Admin Share Posted 6 February , 2019 Might he have been related to Lt Frederick Hayward RNAS photo album sold in 2014? https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bosleys-military-auctioneers/catalogue-id-srbos10001/lot-57f9b19f-10de-4fb1-bd85-a3f8011fef20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 6 February , 2019 Admin Share Posted 6 February , 2019 I presume you have seen these? http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9746383 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9755020 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8642894 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9745986 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9747773 seems he was proficient in German too Regards David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete-c Posted 6 February , 2019 Share Posted 6 February , 2019 Michael, Although one of these flickr images (RAFM T607715-127) is certainly of the 2Wing aerodrome on Imbros, I cannot find anything to tie this man to service in that theatre. It appears he was Commanding 218 Sqn, as Major CH Hayward, from 28.12.18 to around January1919. The Squadron were, at that time, at Vert Galand. Hope this may be of some help. Peter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 6 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 February , 2019 (edited) Thanks Pete, I'm beginning to think that his photographs of Gallipoli and Imbros were perhaps given to him by one of his friends who he had previously served with in the RNAS Armoured Cars. This one could possibly be one of the RNAS Armoured Car MG positions at Jephson's Post. The rock formation and the fact that you could not dig down, but had to build-up a position all suggest that. https://www.flickr.com/photos/royalairforcemuseum/7407891972/in/photolist-cDkvJG-c12Rxo-chBqvd-cDkyzo-d1eob3-deyKqJ-chBwyh-cDkt1Q-chBgFE-deyUeS-c12PYA-d1eoRS-chBuFs-c12QJ1-chBfsy-chBm4j-chBmhL-cDkwko-d1eo6S-chBnP3-chBism-chBwpC-chBoqb-d1es5q-d1enrL-chBf21-chBfc1-chBsbU-chBnaN-chBeNq-cDkukU-d1euys-chBjYy-deyJBk-cDkzi5-c12Qkd-deyYPR-deyXTX-cDkwLw-chBur3-chBtHE-chBoco-chBjCf-chBgPb-c12Pmw-c12Nyd-c12Ni7-c12N6W-c12MC9-dezje3 This could be a view along the KTS ridge https://www.flickr.com/photos/royalairforcemuseum/7407908862/in/photolist-dez2Wu-d1etwb-dezk2p-chBtdA-dez4Zs-d1epds-c12SKs-dezmVr-d1epk9-c12QWf-d1ersA-cDkwG9-deyY7d-d1eukG-dez2eF-d1epDw-c12Qcb-deyXL8-deyLh5-cDkySb-deyUWx-deyW6M-deyTtQ-c12QyS-cDkwwf-cDkvJG-c12Rxo-chBqvd-cDkyzo-d1eob3-deyKqJ-chBwyh-cDkt1Q-chBgFE-deyUeS-c12PYA-d1eoRS-chBuFs-c12QJ1-chBfsy-chBm4j-chBmhL-cDkwko-d1eo6S-chBnP3-chBism-chBwpC-d1es5q-chBoqb-d1enrL These were places visited by a select few in RNAS terms regards Michael Edited 6 February , 2019 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete-c Posted 7 February , 2019 Share Posted 7 February , 2019 This could well be the case Michael. It's surprising how often the same photos turn up in different collections - especially, it would seem - with regard to images taken in the Aegean Theatre. But with the relatively small number of officers serving on the various island bases, it's no wonder that so many photos got passed around. I guess as historians we should be grateful that copies are sometimes relatively common. With regard to the aircraft featured in these flickr images, I believe all the identifiable ones were in use at Chingford. I have however been unable to put CH Hayward's name to any of them; they were probably snapped whilst he was gaining his certificate. Cheers Peter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 7 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 7 February , 2019 2 hours ago, pete-c said: it's no wonder that so many photos got passed around. I guess as historians we should be grateful that copies are sometimes relatively common. Like the original photos, the links too have been passed arround and the comment has been made that what is nice about this collection is that yes, we're seeing the usual scenes, but from different angles this time, e.g: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffnut453 Posted 20 March , 2023 Share Posted 20 March , 2023 Dusting off this old thread as it seems that Cecil Hugh Hayward was in Spich, Germany, in 1919. Louis Strange's "Recollections of an Airman" contains a photograph with the title "A tour of inspection on Spich Aerodrome. Squadron Leader C.H. Hayward conducting G.O.C. Lieut.-General Sir W. Robertson and Generals Becke and Salmond." I'd be interested if any of Hayward's service records indicated when he might have arrived at Spich. Thus far, I've failed to turn up anything meaningful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawhiri Posted 20 March , 2023 Share Posted 20 March , 2023 (edited) Have you found his casualty form? The back of this form indicates he joined 62 squadron on 14 February 1919, before going on leave from 23 February to 9 March. He was then attached to 51 Wing from 15 March 1919 until late August/early September 1919. Can you tie either of these units to Spich in the time frame that you are looking for? https://www.casualtyforms.org/form/10549 Edited to add that according to the RAFWeb website, 62 squadron moved to France in January 1918, before joining the occupation forces in Germany, and disbanding at Spich in Germany on 31 July 1919, so a possible link? According to the same site 51 Wing in its first incarnation was in existence from November 1917 and disbanded on 30 July 1919, although it doesn't say where it was located. https://www.rafweb.org/Squadrons/Sqn061-65.htm https://www.rafweb.org/Organsation/Wings2.htm And according to this potted history of 62 squadron, the commanding officer from 18 October 1917 to 12 February 1919 was Major F W Smith, who's departure seems to coincide with the arrival of Cecil Hugh Hayward on 14 February 1919. This history also suggests that the squadron came under the umbrella of 51 Wing from 20 November 1918. https://www.apw.airwar1.org.uk/no62sqn6.htm Edited 21 March , 2023 by Tawhiri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffnut453 Posted 21 March , 2023 Share Posted 21 March , 2023 3 hours ago, Tawhiri said: Have you found his casualty form? The back of this form indicates he joined 62 squadron on 14 February 1919, before going on leave from 23 February to 9 March. He was then attached to 51 Wing from 15 March 1919 until late August/early September 1919. Can you tie either of these units to Spich in the time frame that you are looking for? https://www.casualtyforms.org/form/10549 Many thanks Tawhiri. Those details are entirely new to me. Alas, 62 Sqn moved to Spich at the same time as my relative who was serving with 11 Sqn. Both Squadrons were part of 51 Wing while at Nivelles, Belgium, and later at Spich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawhiri Posted 21 March , 2023 Share Posted 21 March , 2023 Was there a date mentioned for the photograph in Louis Strange’s book? The most logical timing for such an event with a number of senior officers in attendance would seem to be the disbandment of both 62 Squadron and 51 Wing at the end of July 1919 at Spich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffnut453 Posted 21 March , 2023 Share Posted 21 March , 2023 No date was mentioned. The inspection doesn't appear in the surviving 11 Sqn records, either. There are other photos, one in Strange's book taken from the roof of the Zeppelin hangar, showing a considerable line-up of aircraft at Spich. I can't help wondering if the line-up was part of General Salmond's visit. Alas, dates are eluding me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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