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BIFFO

I have the medals for 

Charles j Lewis  (T)1238

medal roll says 209107 mic says 200107,I I don't know what battalion he was in,

later joined the royal engineers  574437,

he was awarded 14 star-bwm-vm, he also has a mystery medal, any one know what this is

is it the royal engineers  T.F.E medal ?? if yes what is the T.F.E.medal 

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topgun1918

The Territorial Force Efficiency Medal - awarded to non-commissioned officers and men for a minimum of 12 years service in the Territorial Force, providing they attended 12 annual training camps.  Previous service in other part-time forces including the Volunteer Force could count, while war service counted double.

 

Graeme

 

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Scalyback

If he was Brecknock it can only be the 1st Battalion, who went to India at the beginning of the war and stayed out there. 

2nd line stayed in Wales and eventually merged with 2/7 RWF.

3rd line again stayed in Wales and later merged with one of the Monmouth reserve battalions. 

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Steven Broomfield

But if he went to India he wouldn't have been eligible for a 14-15 Star (unless he transferred pretty swiftly) surely?

 

The 1st/1st Brecknocks went to Aden Dec '14 to August '15 so presumably that's the 14-15 Star entitlement.

 

 

Edited by Steven Broomfield
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JimE

Charles J Lewis

Medal Index card and rolls show

1/1 SW Bords T1238, SW Bords 200107, RE 574437 Cpl             (not found under 200907)

1914/15 star, BWM, Victory Medal

Disembarked 3-7-15 in theatre 5c (Aden) entry corrected from 29/10/14

Demobbed 3 June 1919

 

Brecknockshire Bn 1/1 S W Borderers went to India on 29/10/14 and remained there for the war, except leaving India on  3 December 1914 and arriving on 16 Dec in Aden, until August 1915 (Long Long Trail)

Presumably Lewis did not go with the main body to India but joined in Aden  in July 1915, where he qualified for the BWM and the 1914/1915 star

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Scalyback
22 minutes ago, Steven Broomfield said:

But if he went to India he wouldn't have been eligible for a 14-15 Star (unless he transferred pretty swiftly) surely?

 

The 1st/1st Brecknocks went to Aden Dec '14 to August '15 so presumably that's the 14-15 Star entitlement.

 

 

 

Brecknock battalion have the 15 star entitlement. 

 

Like Jim says! 

 

EDIT slightly off topic. https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=VJu311&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=medalrolls&cp=0&_F00061C3=brecknockshire&new=1&rank=1&redir=false&uidh=epq&gss=angs-d&pcat=39&fh=1&h=4799616&recoff=&ml_rpos=2

 

Any ideas why to see another mans card before issuing medals? Not seen that before. It is a Brecknock man. 

Edited by Scalyback

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Keith_history_buff
On 01/02/2019 at 22:12, JimE said:

Charles J Lewis

Medal Index card and rolls show

1/1 SW Bords T1238, SW Bords 200107, RE 574437 Cpl             (not found under 200907)

1914/15 star, BWM, Victory Medal

Disembarked 3-7-15 in theatre 5c (Aden) entry corrected from 29/10/14

Demobbed 3 June 1919

 

Brecknockshire Bn 1/1 S W Borderers went to India on 29/10/14 and remained there for the war, except leaving India on  3 December 1914 and arriving on 16 Dec in Aden, until August 1915 (Long Long Trail)

Presumably Lewis did not go with the main body to India but joined in Aden  in July 1915, where he qualified for the BWM and the 1914/1915 star


There's a peculiarity with Aden. It was deemed a Theatre of War with effect from 3rd July 1915. The Brecknocks were in Aden from 16 December 1914 to 5th August 1915. 

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Keith_history_buff

From the 29th October 1914 - 2nd December 1914, the Brecknocks were in transit on the first log of their journey, taking the "Dilwara" from Southampton to Bombay.

The second leg, 3rd December 1914 - 16th December 1914, saw them taking the "Grantilly Castle" from Bombay to Aden.

Here's a link to an article in the Brecon County Times, online thanks to the National Library of Wales.

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3857488/3857491/28/

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Keith_history_buff

There is a surviving service record for Sergeant Frederick James, 69, Brecknock Battalion, should anyone wish to see a service record for one of the men of the battalion.

Thanks, Keith

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BIFFO

just seen your post Keith thank you for information :thumbsup:

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Keith_history_buff

Hi Biffo, glad it helped. Yes I found it puzzling when I first encountered it!!!

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BIFFO

An auctioneer from a nearby town came here with free valuations,I took these medals to him, I couldn't believe how low the price he said they were worth. Now looka I know anything is only worth the amount some one will pay ,have medals really fallen so low ? :w00t:

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