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Jools mckenna

Recently found out about him (He's my Great great grandfather). I don't know anything about him.

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johnmelling1979

Found this for SG NEWTON

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johnmelling1979

And found this 

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Jools mckenna
4 minutes ago, johnmelling1979 said:

And found this 

 

Thanks John 

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clk

Hi Jools,

 

I think this might be him...

 

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Images sourced from the London Gazette

 

The war diary for the 12/YLI is here

 

From the index of officers long (admin) numbers (file WO 338/14/14 at the National Archives) he would appear to have had the admin number of 32006.

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The "/51" bit refers to (an unspecified Battalion of) the 51st Regiment of Foot - i.e, the archaic name (still being used) for the King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry. The 32006 admin number points towards this file At the National Archives. I don't know where the Royal Welsh Fusiliers fits in.

 

Regards

Chris

 

 

 

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Jools mckenna
18 minutes ago, clk said:

 

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Regards

Chris

 

 

Thanks, Chris. I knew he got an OBE but what does Miners battalion mean?

Edit: apparently the '12th (Service) Battalion (Miners) (Pioneers) landed in Egypt as pioneer battalion for the 31st Division in December 1915 and then moved to France in March 1916 for service on the Western Front.'  Also, Thanks for all of the great links!

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The Inspector

Hi Jools,

Public trees on Ancestry but none with his military service. If you need any help PM me.

Regards Barry

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clk

Hi Jools,

 

The honest answer is that I don't know. The LLT here says that the Battalion was originally formed by the West Yorkshire Coal Owners Association. So the title might be a reflection of that??

 

There were some RE units that were "sappers and miners" which I think is a naming based on their historical roll. However, as the 12th Battalion were only formed in September 1914, I wouldn't have thought that to be the case here.

 

In very very broad terms, a Pioneer Battalion would have done a lot of physical support work - digging, construction, etc. They would have fought if they had to, but weren't like other infantry battalions whose purpose it was.

 

Regards

Chris

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Jools mckenna
39 minutes ago, clk said:

In very very broad terms, a Pioneer Battalion would have done a lot of physical support work - digging, construction, etc. They would have fought if they had to, but weren't like other infantry battalions whose purpose it was.

 

Regards

Chris

Thanks Chris. Just looked at the long trail information on them and pioneer battalions. Also got this description of them on the Koyli website:

"12th Pioneers - Egypt 22 Dec 15. France and Flanders 9 Mar 16. 1916 - 31st Division. Pioneers.
The 12th Battalion was called the Miners' Battalion on raising and spent the war in the front lines as a very gallant Pioneer Battalion
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Also this website has some interesting information on them during the Somme:  http://www.pals.org.uk/koyli/index.htm

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ForeignGong

Hi

This is out of the 1920 Order of the British Empire book

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Jools mckenna
19 minutes ago, ForeignGong said:

Hi

This is out of the 1920 Order of the British Empire book

Peter

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Thanks Peter, so after 1916 he was put onto home duties.

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HarryBrook

The date of being placed on the General List was 15 November 1917 per this London Gazette notification https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30496/supplement/1354

 

He relinquished his commission on completion of service on 22 March 1919 retaining the rank of Major https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31573/supplement/12001

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Jools mckenna

Looking at this makes me think that he wasn't entitled to the 1914-15(Mons) star but one of his miniature medals is the Mons star...

Edit: Ignore this, I'm stupid...

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Kimberley John Lindsay

Dear Jools,

The 1914 Star was commonly referred to as the "Mons Star", but not the more widely-awarded 1914-15 Star.

Kindest regards,

Kim.

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Jools mckenna
1 minute ago, Kimberley John Lindsay said:

Dear Jools,

The 1914 Star was commonly referred to as the "Mons Star", but not the more widely-awarded 1914-15 Star.

Kindest regards,

Kim.

Ok, thanks. I didnt realise they were different.

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Jools mckenna

Finally found a photo of him(unfortunately not wartime)

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Kimberley John Lindsay

Dear Jools,

A super portrait of Stephen Guy Newton. Well done for finding this!

I have been able to match many of my medal collection groups with Images, and know it is not an easy task.

There still remain two (W. J. Davis, BSc., and W. P. Platt, MBE), sans photo. Therefore I would more than welcome such a "post-Great War" picture for either of these latter.

Kindest Regards,

Kim.

 

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Jools mckenna

Just would like to share this: http://www.pals.org.uk/koyli/instructions.pdf. It's the instructions for 12th KOYLI for the 1st July 1916. Guess who typed it up.

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