Jools mckenna Posted 30 January , 2019 Share Posted 30 January , 2019 (edited) Recently found out about him (He's my Great great grandfather). I don't know anything about him. Edited 30 January , 2019 by Jools mckenna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmelling1979 Posted 30 January , 2019 Share Posted 30 January , 2019 Found this for SG NEWTON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmelling1979 Posted 30 January , 2019 Share Posted 30 January , 2019 And found this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 30 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 30 January , 2019 4 minutes ago, johnmelling1979 said: And found this Thanks John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 30 January , 2019 Share Posted 30 January , 2019 (edited) Hi Jools, I think this might be him... Images sourced from the London Gazette The war diary for the 12/YLI is here From the index of officers long (admin) numbers (file WO 338/14/14 at the National Archives) he would appear to have had the admin number of 32006. The "/51" bit refers to (an unspecified Battalion of) the 51st Regiment of Foot - i.e, the archaic name (still being used) for the King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry. The 32006 admin number points towards this file At the National Archives. I don't know where the Royal Welsh Fusiliers fits in. Regards Chris Edited 30 January , 2019 by clk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 30 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 30 January , 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, clk said: I Regards Chris Thanks, Chris. I knew he got an OBE but what does Miners battalion mean? Edit: apparently the '12th (Service) Battalion (Miners) (Pioneers) landed in Egypt as pioneer battalion for the 31st Division in December 1915 and then moved to France in March 1916 for service on the Western Front.' Also, Thanks for all of the great links! Edited 30 January , 2019 by Jools mckenna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 30 January , 2019 Share Posted 30 January , 2019 Hi Jools, Public trees on Ancestry but none with his military service. If you need any help PM me. Regards Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 30 January , 2019 Share Posted 30 January , 2019 Hi Jools, The honest answer is that I don't know. The LLT here says that the Battalion was originally formed by the West Yorkshire Coal Owners Association. So the title might be a reflection of that?? There were some RE units that were "sappers and miners" which I think is a naming based on their historical roll. However, as the 12th Battalion were only formed in September 1914, I wouldn't have thought that to be the case here. In very very broad terms, a Pioneer Battalion would have done a lot of physical support work - digging, construction, etc. They would have fought if they had to, but weren't like other infantry battalions whose purpose it was. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 30 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 30 January , 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, clk said: In very very broad terms, a Pioneer Battalion would have done a lot of physical support work - digging, construction, etc. They would have fought if they had to, but weren't like other infantry battalions whose purpose it was. Regards Chris Thanks Chris. Just looked at the long trail information on them and pioneer battalions. Also got this description of them on the Koyli website: "12th Pioneers - Egypt 22 Dec 15. France and Flanders 9 Mar 16. 1916 - 31st Division. Pioneers. The 12th Battalion was called the Miners' Battalion on raising and spent the war in the front lines as a very gallant Pioneer Battalion." Also this website has some interesting information on them during the Somme: http://www.pals.org.uk/koyli/index.htm Edited 30 January , 2019 by Jools mckenna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGong Posted 30 January , 2019 Share Posted 30 January , 2019 Hi This is out of the 1920 Order of the British Empire book Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 31 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 January , 2019 19 minutes ago, ForeignGong said: Hi This is out of the 1920 Order of the British Empire book Peter Thanks Peter, so after 1916 he was put onto home duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBrook Posted 31 January , 2019 Share Posted 31 January , 2019 The date of being placed on the General List was 15 November 1917 per this London Gazette notification https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30496/supplement/1354 He relinquished his commission on completion of service on 22 March 1919 retaining the rank of Major https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31573/supplement/12001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 15 March , 2019 Author Share Posted 15 March , 2019 (edited) Looking at this makes me think that he wasn't entitled to the 1914-15(Mons) star but one of his miniature medals is the Mons star... Edit: Ignore this, I'm stupid... Edited 15 March , 2019 by Jools mckenna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 15 March , 2019 Share Posted 15 March , 2019 (edited) Dear Jools, The 1914 Star was commonly referred to as the "Mons Star", but not the more widely-awarded 1914-15 Star. Kindest regards, Kim. Edited 15 March , 2019 by Kimberley John Lindsay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 15 March , 2019 Author Share Posted 15 March , 2019 1 minute ago, Kimberley John Lindsay said: Dear Jools, The 1914 Star was commonly referred to as the "Mons Star", but not the more widely-awarded 1914-15 Star. Kindest regards, Kim. Ok, thanks. I didnt realise they were different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 1 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 1 April , 2019 Finally found a photo of him(unfortunately not wartime) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 1 April , 2019 Share Posted 1 April , 2019 Dear Jools, A super portrait of Stephen Guy Newton. Well done for finding this! I have been able to match many of my medal collection groups with Images, and know it is not an easy task. There still remain two (W. J. Davis, BSc., and W. P. Platt, MBE), sans photo. Therefore I would more than welcome such a "post-Great War" picture for either of these latter. Kindest Regards, Kim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 17 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 17 May , 2019 Just would like to share this: http://www.pals.org.uk/koyli/instructions.pdf. It's the instructions for 12th KOYLI for the 1st July 1916. Guess who typed it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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