gosimon Posted 22 January , 2019 Share Posted 22 January , 2019 (edited) Hi Everyone, Seeking some help this photo was taken around 1923, as you can see the young boy (Harry Clark) is wearing an Anzac hat. The issue is here i have a family mystery, his daughter Doris Clark noted on her marriage certificate he was already deceased in 1936, and listed him as a merchant seaman. The family story as i know it is he left the family by 1925 and left them, there was a tale that his 2 sisters who were spinsters came from Ireland or Australia to take little Harry Clark but the mother refused them. The issue is i can not find anything on his existence, recently a photo was discovered as mentioned at the start, and i noted the Anzac Hat. Can anyone here help me from the picture of the hat if it helps or try and find this mystery man? Thanks, Simon Edited 22 January , 2019 by gosimon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosimon Posted 22 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 22 January , 2019 Update i think i found him http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7992197 It matches the address of who he was living with at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandererpaul Posted 22 January , 2019 Share Posted 22 January , 2019 (edited) https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=TNA/MSEA/BT350/04/35/043590&parentid=TNA/BT350/2130745811/1 If you have find my past, this is his record. There’s also a picture of him. Ive shown it here too........ I assume this this is your man? Edited 22 January , 2019 by wandererpaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandererpaul Posted 22 January , 2019 Share Posted 22 January , 2019 https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=TNA/MSEA/BT350/04/35/043591&parentid=TNA/BT350/2130745812/1 A second record of the same man?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosimon Posted 22 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 22 January , 2019 Thank you thank from the bottom of my heart thats him, i don't have access does the second link have much. in the image im not so good at cursive I can read most of it i have the following questions: After the birth date of 25 sept 1880 sydney what oes h&w mean? what does Nationally and father say? Also on the back with the photo what are those numbers and dates mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaginatian Posted 22 January , 2019 Share Posted 22 January , 2019 "H&W" is "NSW" for "New South Wales". Against Nationality and Father it looks to be "Brit." for British. Don't know about the numbers! Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Underdown Posted 22 January , 2019 Share Posted 22 January , 2019 The numbers are the Official Numbers of the ships on which he served, if you search for those in Discovery too you may find crew lists showing who he was working with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosimon Posted 22 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 22 January , 2019 Thanks Ian makes sense, I wonder why he didn't write his parents names what a pain. David, If i search up those ships on which he served in Discovery will there be more paper work that may hold a clue on who his parents where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosimon Posted 22 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 22 January , 2019 Did the second record have any further information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandererpaul Posted 22 January , 2019 Share Posted 22 January , 2019 The second one seems to have a ship from 1919. Doesn’t seem to show any war service? But FMP does have a mercantile marine Medal record for him. Also at the National Archives too https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM/BT351/120223 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7992197 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandererpaul Posted 22 January , 2019 Share Posted 22 January , 2019 (edited) Ancestry has a record for a ship dated 11 Jun 1917, port; Bordeaux ship name; Oriflamme. against his name is “deserted” (??). He is listed as a boatswain. https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/7484/31691_B017690-00516/7950250?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return It seems they have him noted as “Scottish”...... Edited 22 January , 2019 by wandererpaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosimon Posted 22 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 22 January , 2019 This is the time frame on what i know about him so far, not sure if the Oriflamme links up or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosimon Posted 22 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 22 January , 2019 Also i tried searching those ship numbers on http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk and they dont match up with the dates next to them, would they be somewhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Underdown Posted 22 January , 2019 Share Posted 22 January , 2019 I was slightly misrembering the process, read the research guide here http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/merchant-seaman-serving-after-1917/ - you may need to look at the CLIP project website, Crew List Indexing Project, the crew lists are actually held at a variety of places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosimon Posted 23 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 23 January , 2019 (edited) Found no crew lists added yet for each of the ships on http://www.crewlist.org.uk but at least i have the vessel name, i have updated my ancestry file with the information this is now how it looks. Dougald Clark - LifeStory - Print - Print.pdf Edited 23 January , 2019 by gosimon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosimon Posted 23 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 23 January , 2019 (edited) Sorry i stand corrected there is one crew list for 144311 in 1920 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2480964 Will order now Edited 23 January , 2019 by gosimon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosimon Posted 23 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 23 January , 2019 Ok ordered should get it by 6-Feb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosimon Posted 24 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 24 January , 2019 if anyone else has any other ideas happy to hear anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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