Margaretnolan Posted 19 January , 2019 Share Posted 19 January , 2019 (edited) Can anyone identify the cap badge in the attached photos please. Apologies if it’s not clear enough as I don’t have a scanned image. This is a photo of John Patrick Quinlan. Born 31st October 1898 to Annie Quinlan and John Winstanley in Altrincham. On the 1901 census he is named at John Winstanley. He married Josephine Barber in 1922. On his marriage cert he is named at John Quinlan but signs himself John Winstanley. when he died in 1979 he is John Winstanley. I cant find anything on his Military career as I don’t know his regiment. Someone said the cap badge could be the Suffolk Regiment. I have found some John Quinlans but none that tie in with his birth year. He was in Ireland around 1918 and maybe later but his family are unsure. He was in England when he got married in 1922 and his occupation was listed as Labourer. Any help greatly appreciated. Edited 19 January , 2019 by Margaretnolan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacorb Posted 19 January , 2019 Share Posted 19 January , 2019 The badge does look a lot like the Suffolk Regiment, but I can't find any military records of his Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margaretnolan Posted 19 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 19 January , 2019 1 hour ago, Jacorb said: The badge does look a lot like the Suffolk Regiment, but I can't find any military records of his Thanks. I’m stumped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 January , 2019 Share Posted 19 January , 2019 (edited) If Suffolks First Name: John Surname: Quinlan Rank: Private Service Number: 27307 12th Suffolks ...but too old for yours I think George Edited 19 January , 2019 by George Rayner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margaretnolan Posted 19 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 19 January , 2019 (edited) I saw him but it looks like John Quinlan 27307 was born in 1879. Edited 19 January , 2019 by Margaretnolan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 January , 2019 Share Posted 19 January , 2019 In 1901 living with grandmother Ellen? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margaretnolan Posted 19 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 19 January , 2019 2 minutes ago, George Rayner said: In 1901 living with grandmother Ellen? George Yes that’s him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 20 January , 2019 Share Posted 20 January , 2019 (edited) JPQ or W's parent's married first quarter 1901 in Bucklow District Cheshire And possibly his father tried to sign up on 2nd September 1914 First name(s)John Last name Winstanley Age34 Birth year1880 Birth town St Helens Birth county Lancashire Birth country England Service number12074 Regiment South Lancashire Regiment Year1914 next of kin is Annie. But not certain of course! George Edited 20 January , 2019 by George Rayner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margaretnolan Posted 20 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 20 January , 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, George Rayner said: JPQ or W's parent's married first quarter 1901 in Bucklow District Cheshire And possibly his father tried to sign up on 2nd September 1914 First name(s)John Last name Winstanley Age34 Birth year1880 Birth town St Helens Birth county Lancashire Birth country England Service number12074 Regiment South Lancashire Regiment Year1914 next of kin is Annie. But not certain of course! George That’s interesting. John Winstanley mentioned above born 1880 could be John Quinlans Winstanley’s dad. There is a connection to St. Helens and JQW was 5ft 4 according to his grandson. John Winstanley 12074 was 5ft 3.. Edited 20 January , 2019 by Margaretnolan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 20 January , 2019 Share Posted 20 January , 2019 22 minutes ago, Margaretnolan said: That’s interesting. John Winstanley mentioned above born 1880 could be John Quinlans Winstanley’s dad. There is a connection to St. Helens and JQW was 5ft 4 according to his grandson. John Winstanley 12074 was 5ft 3.. Yes that's what I thought. Doesn't really help with your query though| Goerge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margaretnolan Posted 20 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 20 January , 2019 Just now, George Rayner said: Yes that's what I thought. Doesn't really help with your query though| Goerge Well it will. His family didn’t mention that JQS dad was in the army, providing John 12074 is the right man. I’m waiting for his grandson to get back to me. Margaret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margaretnolan Posted 20 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 20 January , 2019 31 minutes ago, Margaretnolan said: Well it will. His family didn’t mention that JQS dad was in the army, providing John 12074 is the right man. I’m waiting for his grandson to get back to me. Margaret George what does the statement mean on the attached pic? Why would he have been discharged so early. I can’t find anything else on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 20 January , 2019 Share Posted 20 January , 2019 I'm sorry I don't know. We need some of our more experienced folk to drop in for that I think George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margaretnolan Posted 20 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 20 January , 2019 34 minutes ago, George Rayner said: I'm sorry I don't know. We need some of our more experienced folk to drop in for that I think George Thanks for your help George. Much appreciated. Margaret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 20 January , 2019 Share Posted 20 January , 2019 Perhaps you should re-post this as a new thread to see what the experts say? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margaretnolan Posted 20 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 20 January , 2019 2 minutes ago, George Rayner said: Perhaps you should re-post this as a new thread to see what the experts say? George Thanks George. Hi grandson doesn’t think this is his relation..but now I’m curious as to why he was discharged so soon. I will post it on a separate thread. Margaret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margaretnolan Posted 21 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 21 January , 2019 I am wondering why this man John Winstanley might have been discharged after little more than a month in Service. He was 34 years old. Thank you. Margaret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 21 January , 2019 Share Posted 21 January , 2019 Id guess a medical reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margaretnolan Posted 21 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 21 January , 2019 7 minutes ago, Coldstreamer said: Id guess a medical reason Ah thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 21 January , 2019 Share Posted 21 January , 2019 Im basing that on all the coldstreamers papers i have seen that have had discharges prior to arriving in France / Flanders - serious illness, accident or something medically wrong was discovered - only other I have seen is due to age but he is 34 so rules that out - and if he was a reserve occupation wouldnt expect him to get this far (he was a glass blower / maker - one or other I've forgotten now!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margaretnolan Posted 21 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 21 January , 2019 It gives me something to go on. Much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 21 January , 2019 Share Posted 21 January , 2019 Any thoughts on what WO F27/ means/stands for? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 21 January , 2019 Share Posted 21 January , 2019 WO is normally War Office. Form 27? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 21 January , 2019 Share Posted 21 January , 2019 Thought it was War Office so does 1-10-14 denote a date when a 'new' rule was introduced? And if so where can it be found? Useful for other research George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 21 January , 2019 Share Posted 21 January , 2019 These will be "War Office Instructions" which are available at National Archive Kew under ref. WO 293. The instruction was apparently dated 1 October 1914. Unfortunately when I took my notes it was deemed uninteresting so I have no record of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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