Ww1 turkish bayonet translation

[josh2345678]

Could someone tell my the translation to English please would be very helpful. Thank you 

 

Edited 17 January , 2019 by josh2345678

[shippingsteel]

This is a Turkish M1887 bayonet dated 1306 (or 1888) It reads as being made by Alexander Coppel, Solingen.

[trajan]

Is this full-length? Or (unlikely, I know) has it been shortened?

[josh2345678]

No full length 

[trajan]

That's what it should be but no harm in making certain! I assume no serial number on the other side as you don't ask about or show that. 

 

A reasonably uncommon bayonet as only about 25,000 were made. There were five makers altogether and years ago I helped SS in compiling sample marks and lists of known examples to assess who made how many and when, but the thread on this at: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/161354-turkish-bayonets/ has been locked for some time and I have heard nothing more from him on that - any progress SS?  

 

[The Prussian]

Hello!

I can´t read the second cypher. To me it´s a 1206 or 1306, probably 1306 which would be "our" 1889. 1206 would be 1792

https://www.aoi.uzh.ch/de/islamwissenschaft/hilfsmittel/tools/kalenderumrechnung/hegira.html

Arabic form	Number
٠‬	0
۱‬	1
۲‬	2
٣‬	3
٤‬	4
۵‬	5
٦‬	6
٧‬	7
٨‬	8
٩‬	9
۱٠‬	10

Edited 14 January , 2019 by The Prussian

[josh2345678]

6 hours ago, trajan said:

That's what it should be but no harm in making certain! I assume no serial number on the other side as you don't ask about or show that. 

 

A reasonably uncommon bayonet as only about 25,000 were made. There were five makers altogether and years ago I helped SS in compiling sample marks and lists of known examples to assess who made how many and when, but the thread on this at: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/161354-turkish-bayonets/ has been locked for some time and I have heard nothing more from him on that - any progress SS?  

 

Has no serial number?

[trajan]

Hi Josh,

 

There is usually a serial number using Ottoman numbers (as in the Prussian's post above) on the crossguard, but these were often very faintly stamped. I have not looked at my Turkish bayonets for a while but will do so and try to get a photograph. The 1887 was the first Turkish / Ottoman bayonet to have serial numbers. They are not found on any of the slightly earlier Peabody-Martini bayonets.

[trajan]

23 hours ago, The Prussian said:

Hello!

I can´t read the second cypher. To me it´s a 1206 or 1306, probably 1306 which would be "our" 1889. 1206 would be 1792

https://www.aoi.uzh.ch/de/islamwissenschaft/hilfsmittel/tools/kalenderumrechnung/hegira.html

 

Yes, 1306... But you have to be careful in calculating our calendar for these bayonets were marked - if I recall correctly - by the fiscal year system, so March to March... I have some notes somewhere on this, and if my old mate SS doesn't respond sooner than I'll post up a chart with cross-dates that I prepared for my Peabody-Martin article... 

 

Now, if only they were made and dated by Syriac craftsmen it would be a lot easier... 

Edited 15 January , 2019 by trajan

[The Prussian]

Hello Julian!

Yes, I know, the ottoman calendars are very difficult. The chart would be very interesting!!!!

[zuluwar2006]

On 14/01/2019 at 05:28, trajan said:

Is this full-length? Or (unlikely, I know) has it been shortened?

Julian

A photo I have found, for your reference

Regards

D. 

[josh2345678]

On 19/01/2019 at 07:20, zuluwar2006 said:

Julian

A photo I have found, for your reference

Regards

D. 

Thanks to all that's was much help👍 That picture is interesting you know what year that is? Thanks 

[trajan]

10 minutes ago, josh2345678 said:

Thanks to all that's was much help👍 That picture is interesting you know what year that is? Thanks 

 

It is indeed a great photograph and I was rude not to say thanks to Dimitrios for posting it - sorry!

 

He has the Fez, not used after 1909, and that looks to be a Turkish 1903 rifle (can't see a magazine there!) and an 1890 or possibly 1903 bayonet - but I am happy to be corrected!