josh2345678 Posted 13 January , 2019 Share Posted 13 January , 2019 (edited) Could someone tell my the translation to English please would be very helpful. Thank you Edited 17 January , 2019 by josh2345678 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippingsteel Posted 13 January , 2019 Share Posted 13 January , 2019 This is a Turkish M1887 bayonet dated 1306 (or 1888) It reads as being made by Alexander Coppel, Solingen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 14 January , 2019 Share Posted 14 January , 2019 Is this full-length? Or (unlikely, I know) has it been shortened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh2345678 Posted 14 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2019 No full length Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 14 January , 2019 Share Posted 14 January , 2019 That's what it should be but no harm in making certain! I assume no serial number on the other side as you don't ask about or show that. A reasonably uncommon bayonet as only about 25,000 were made. There were five makers altogether and years ago I helped SS in compiling sample marks and lists of known examples to assess who made how many and when, but the thread on this at: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/161354-turkish-bayonets/ has been locked for some time and I have heard nothing more from him on that - any progress SS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 14 January , 2019 Share Posted 14 January , 2019 (edited) Hello! I can´t read the second cypher. To me it´s a 1206 or 1306, probably 1306 which would be "our" 1889. 1206 would be 1792 https://www.aoi.uzh.ch/de/islamwissenschaft/hilfsmittel/tools/kalenderumrechnung/hegira.html Arabic form Number ٠ 0 ۱ 1 ۲ 2 ٣ 3 ٤ 4 ۵ 5 ٦ 6 ٧ 7 ٨ 8 ٩ 9 ۱٠ 10 Edited 14 January , 2019 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh2345678 Posted 14 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2019 6 hours ago, trajan said: That's what it should be but no harm in making certain! I assume no serial number on the other side as you don't ask about or show that. A reasonably uncommon bayonet as only about 25,000 were made. There were five makers altogether and years ago I helped SS in compiling sample marks and lists of known examples to assess who made how many and when, but the thread on this at: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/161354-turkish-bayonets/ has been locked for some time and I have heard nothing more from him on that - any progress SS? Has no serial number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 15 January , 2019 Share Posted 15 January , 2019 Hi Josh, There is usually a serial number using Ottoman numbers (as in the Prussian's post above) on the crossguard, but these were often very faintly stamped. I have not looked at my Turkish bayonets for a while but will do so and try to get a photograph. The 1887 was the first Turkish / Ottoman bayonet to have serial numbers. They are not found on any of the slightly earlier Peabody-Martini bayonets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 15 January , 2019 Share Posted 15 January , 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, The Prussian said: Hello! I can´t read the second cypher. To me it´s a 1206 or 1306, probably 1306 which would be "our" 1889. 1206 would be 1792 https://www.aoi.uzh.ch/de/islamwissenschaft/hilfsmittel/tools/kalenderumrechnung/hegira.html Yes, 1306... But you have to be careful in calculating our calendar for these bayonets were marked - if I recall correctly - by the fiscal year system, so March to March... I have some notes somewhere on this, and if my old mate SS doesn't respond sooner than I'll post up a chart with cross-dates that I prepared for my Peabody-Martin article... Now, if only they were made and dated by Syriac craftsmen it would be a lot easier... Edited 15 January , 2019 by trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 15 January , 2019 Share Posted 15 January , 2019 Hello Julian! Yes, I know, the ottoman calendars are very difficult. The chart would be very interesting!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 19 January , 2019 Share Posted 19 January , 2019 On 14/01/2019 at 05:28, trajan said: Is this full-length? Or (unlikely, I know) has it been shortened? Julian A photo I have found, for your reference Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh2345678 Posted 11 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 11 February , 2019 On 19/01/2019 at 07:20, zuluwar2006 said: Julian A photo I have found, for your reference Regards D. Thanks to all that's was much help👍 That picture is interesting you know what year that is? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 11 February , 2019 Share Posted 11 February , 2019 10 minutes ago, josh2345678 said: Thanks to all that's was much help👍 That picture is interesting you know what year that is? Thanks It is indeed a great photograph and I was rude not to say thanks to Dimitrios for posting it - sorry! He has the Fez, not used after 1909, and that looks to be a Turkish 1903 rifle (can't see a magazine there!) and an 1890 or possibly 1903 bayonet - but I am happy to be corrected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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