Neil 2242 Posted 13 January , 2019 Share Posted 13 January , 2019 Thomas Younger from Sunderland, served in 3rd Btn Coldstream Guards, and was killed in action 13 Nov 1916 and is buried in the Guards Cemetery, Lesboeufs. I have the CWGC and SDGW entries. I also have the following brief casualty announcement from a northeast newspaper: A quick CWGC search shows that the battalion lost 5 men killed on that day. I'd be very grateful for any help fleshing out his story a bit....eg what was happening on 13 Nov.....but anything else also very welcome. Family-wise I think I have him on the 1911 census living at 47 Gen Graham Street, Sunderland. He was a shipbuilders clerk born c.1887 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 13 January , 2019 Share Posted 13 January , 2019 Hi here is the war diary on National Archives for a small fee 3 Battalion Coldstream Guards Reference:WO 95/1215/3 Description: 3 Battalion Coldstream Guards Date:1915 Aug. - 1918 Jan. Also on Ancestry, just a single page for Nov 16 regards Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 13 January , 2019 Share Posted 13 January , 2019 Here is a map on McMaster, Lesboeufs top left Place Map Sheet # Map Squares Lesboeufs 57cSW4 T4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil 2242 Posted 13 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 13 January , 2019 Thanks Jon, I think I read somewhere that this particular war diary isn't especially informative. But I have a feeling I'm going to be stumping up my £3.50 to have a look anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 13 January , 2019 Share Posted 13 January , 2019 The History of the Guards Division in the Great War 1915-1918, Volume 1, doesn’t add a great deal other than they relieved the 17th Division in the left sector of the XIV front on 13th November. The front ran along the spur of high ground east of Lesboeufs on the right to Gueudecourt on the left. It notes the front trenches were fairly deep but that there were no communication trenches. The testing ground conditions meant everything had to be brought up by hand. A footnote indicates that the Division suffered casualties of 8 Officers and 257 men between 13th-21st November. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tullybrone Posted 13 January , 2019 Share Posted 13 January , 2019 Hi, Here is the relevant page from the CG Regimental History. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Posted 13 January , 2019 Share Posted 13 January , 2019 (edited) Some other info. - his war gratuity of £3 (Register of Soldiers' Effects) indicates that he enlisted no more than 12 months before his death. His service records haven't survived, but it looks like he did enlist in late 1915 - when looking at close numbers in surviving service/pension records: 17470 Joseph Veevers attested on 23rd November 1915 in Sunderland and disembarked as reinforcements at Le Havre with the 5th Bn on 27th August 1916, before joining 3rd Bn on 23rd September 1916. 17468 Arthur Temple - exactly the same 17460 Wilfred Harsley attested on 22nd November 1915 and joined the 3rd Bn (from the 5th) on 25th September 1916.. (Ancestry Pension and Service records) Mike Edited 13 January , 2019 by Langdon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 13 January , 2019 Share Posted 13 January , 2019 1 hour ago, Langdon said: Some other info. - his war gratuity of £3 (Register of Soldiers' Effects) indicates that he enlisted no more than 12 months before his death. His service records haven't survived, but it looks like he did enlist in late 1915 - when looking at close numbers in surviving service/pension records: 17470 Joseph Veevers attested on 23rd November 1915 in Sunderland and disembarked as reinforcements at Le Havre with the 5th Bn on 27th August 1916, before joining 3rd Bn on 23rd September 1916. 17468 Arthur Temple - exactly the same 17460 Wilfred Harsley attested on 22nd November 1915 and joined the 3rd Bn (from the 5th) on 25th September 1916.. (Ancestry Pension and Service records) Mike Hi Mike Would his records, if they do survive, not be with the Regimental Headquarters in London? There is a small cost but it might be worth checking with them. Kind regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil 2242 Posted 14 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2019 Thank you for the pointers so far gents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tullybrone Posted 14 January , 2019 Share Posted 14 January , 2019 17 hours ago, Langdon said: Some other info. - his war gratuity of £3 (Register of Soldiers' Effects) indicates that he enlisted no more than 12 months before his death. His service records haven't survived, but it looks like he did enlist in late 1915 - when looking at close numbers in surviving service/pension records: 17470 Joseph Veevers attested on 23rd November 1915 in Sunderland and disembarked as reinforcements at Le Havre with the 5th Bn on 27th August 1916, before joining 3rd Bn on 23rd September 1916. 17468 Arthur Temple - exactly the same 17460 Wilfred Harsley attested on 22nd November 1915 and joined the 3rd Bn (from the 5th) on 25th September 1916.. (Ancestry Pension and Service records) Mike Hi, Not quite correct to say that his service records haven’t survived. All Foot Guards records were retained by each RHQ (until recently when they were transferred to MOD Glasgow - except SG which have gone to NRS in Edinburgh) and thus avoided 1940 losses caused by German bombing. His surviving CG papers (some culling will have taken place) will be available from MOD Glasgow via this link - https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/apply-for-someone-elses-records Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Posted 14 January , 2019 Share Posted 14 January , 2019 4 hours ago, tullybrone said: Hi, Not quite correct to say that his service records haven’t survived. All Foot Guards records were retained by each RHQ (until recently when they were transferred to MOD Glasgow - except SG which have gone to NRS in Edinburgh) and thus avoided 1940 losses caused by German bombing. His surviving CG papers (some culling will have taken place) will be available from MOD Glasgow via this link - https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/apply-for-someone-elses-records Steve Hi Steve - and Alan, Thanks both for pointing this out - I must remember to say such service records "aren't on Ancestry"! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 15 January , 2019 Share Posted 15 January , 2019 For short service such as his you probably won't get much info for your £30 than you could get on here fmp or ancestry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 21 January , 2019 Share Posted 21 January , 2019 (edited) The war diary doesnt really say much - just another day in the trenches Edited 21 January , 2019 by Coldstreamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil 2242 Posted 21 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 21 January , 2019 Thank you Coldstreamer. Sounds a very run-of-the-mill diary entry.....but at least I know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 21 January , 2019 Share Posted 21 January , 2019 The 3rd battalion is the least useful (from a researchers perspective) of the 4 Coldstream battalions that served overseas IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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