Trench ID - Weavers Vennel

[michaeldr]

Can anyone identify this trench please?

Weavers Vennel

It should be somewhere in the area covered by this map

 

Westlake's British Regiments at Gallipoli mentions it on page 92 (1^st KOSB)

quote: “To firing line (23^rd December). Support trenches held – Russle's Loop, Weavers Vennel, Mayfair, Worcester Flat, Munster Terrace.”

 

Thanks for any assistance here

Michael

[gmac101]

This is a long shot but the 4th KOSB were mostly recruited from Galashiels a town famous for its weaving and  vennel is a word used in Scotland for wee lane. They were stationed In Gallipoli. They could have dug it - might be mentioned in their war diary 

[Howard]

Like your map, this map has Vennel (centre) but not Weavers Vennel.

 

I looked at quite a few maps but could find no "Weavers".

 

Sorry

 

Howard

 

[michaeldr]

Gmac & Howard,

 

Thanks for your interest here

It's possible that the name comes from Maybole in Ayrshire where there is/was a Weaver Vennel

but alas that does not bring us any closer to spotting the one at Helles

Thanks again for checking into this question

 

Michael

[Heid the Ba]

1/1st Ayrshire Yeomanry were at Gallipoli, I have no idea where though.

[michaeldr]

HtB

 

An interesting thought

They landed at Helles on the evening of 11th Octiober 1915 and were attached to the 52nd (Lowland) Division

However, their time in the front line trenches was to the right of where we are looking at in this particular case

(right of The Vineyard, Main Street, Argyle Street and Horseshoe Sector are all mentioned iro the Ayrshire Yeomanry)

Thanks anyway

regards

Michael

 

 

[EDWARD1]

The Vennel in post 3 is Clunes Vennel, and  to the right of it the "EXIT" is  Clunes Vennel Extention. I have searched  the maps in the Gallipoli War Diaries on Ancestry  and have not seen Weavers Vennel. Now to check my books on Gallipoli.

Eddie

PSMichael, Where did the name appear ?

Edited 12 January , 2019 by EDWARD1

[michaeldr]

2 hours ago, EDWARD1 said:

Where did the name appear ?

 

On 11/01/2019 at 10:04, michaeldr said:

Westlake's British Regiments at Gallipoli mentions it on page 92 (1^st KOSB)

quote: “To firing line (23^rd December). Support trenches held – Russle's Loop, Weavers Vennel, Mayfair, Worcester Flat, Munster Terrace.”

 

Eddie

Thanks for your interest and for checking this out

 

Michael

 

Edit to add:-

Turning from Westlake's excellent book to the actual WDs themselves,

the full details are as follows:

… … …

Bttn moved into Firing Line and occupied the Trenches held by Roy Dub Fus as follows:

Firing Line from Bomb Sap 8 on the right to Sap H on the left

with an Auxiliary Firing Line from Sap 9 to Sap D.

Support Line. Russels Loop through Weavers Vennel and Mayfair, Worcester Flat and Munster Terrace -

Reserves … … …

 

The map in the OP shows the trenches as at 08JAN1916

Edited 12 January , 2019 by michaeldr

[michaeldr]

 

1 hour ago, michaeldr said:

Bttn moved into Firing Line and occupied the Trenches held by Roy Dub Fus

Alas the RDF diary does not give any clue,

except to say that they had taken over from The Royal Scots 

The diary of the RSs (frm Westlake) confirms that the firing line was from Roseberry Street (Krithia Nullah) on the right to Rue de Paris on the left.

[Roseberry Street was previously known as Trench H11a]

 

But no mention of Weavers Vennel

[EDWARD1]

Found i. Top left from 52nd (Lowland) Div HQ Diary

[michaeldr]

Brilliant Eddie

Many Thanks indeed

Michael