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alf mcm

The above expression appears on many of the Fold 3/WFA pension records. Any idea what it means?

 

Regards,

 

Alf McM

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alf mcm

Thanks David,

  I've looked, but there is no definitive explanation.

 

Regards,

 

Alf

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Mperkins

Hi, my husband's great grandfather has "6 to Dummy" handwritten in what looks like red crayon on his ledger with the date 25/1/34.

The other examples I've seen relating to Dummy are in 1934 and 1935, so maybe it's an administration move?...

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ss002d6252

'Carried to Dummy' is sometimes also seen on Soldiers Effects entries. In my experience with those records it seems to be an army accounting term to write off a balance.


Craig

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David Tattersfield

Thanks for this Craig. The 'Charge Carried to Dummy' (either in hand writing or by means of a stamp) is something that I've seen plenty of times, but have been unable to interpret. 

 

In terms of the use of this with the pension records, I'm still not clear how this applies. I can understand the 'writing off a balance' in terms of soldiers effects entries, but for this phrase to pre-date the death of the claimant is something I can't get my head round. 

 

If only we were able to talk to people who may have worked with these records !!!

 

Cheers

 

David

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ss002d6252
5 minutes ago, David Tattersfield said:

If only we were able to talk to people who may have worked with these records !!!

 

Cheers

 

David

 

That would have taken away hours of fun that we've had though... !
 

Craig

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ss002d6252

I can see it being used pre-death to write off official over-payments where awards were amended but without the full calculation details it would be very difficult to say exactly.

Craig

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Terry_Reeves

I suspect it was a suspense account where a record was entered awaiting the correct amount to be decided.

 

TR

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alf mcm

Craig, Terry,

  Both your suggestions sound reasonable, but I think we will have to wait until the pension record cards are released before we can get a definitive answer.

 

Regards,

 

Alf McM

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ss002d6252
35 minutes ago, alf mcm said:

Craig, Terry,

  Both your suggestions sound reasonable, but I think we will have to wait until the pension record cards are released before we can get a definitive answer.

 

Regards,

 

Alf McM

I doubt that they will give us that. If the ledgers include insufficient details then the cards are unlikely to add much in that respect. The best hope, short of finding it in a MoP guide (and it's not been in any of the ones's I've read through) is likely to come from one of the surviving PIN pension files as that way there are some of the calculations to look at (albeit slightly earlier in date than the ledgers).


Craig

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Matlock1418

 

On 03/04/2019 at 18:58, ss002d6252 said:

That would have taken away hours of fun that we've had though... !

Craig,

Thanks to the Western Front Association / Ancestry (Fold3) further new releases I know you have been having lots of fun ;-)

Have the new releases revealed any more on this phrase?

Here is an example of Ledger

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and also a Card

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which are clearly related to each other - but much separated in time it would seem

Any more ideas?

 

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ss002d6252

Nothing more to add at present.

 

Craig

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Carmania

When I was a Civil Servant, many years ago, 'Dummy' files where created when the original was requested by a Survey or Audit team who were based somewhere else. Would that have any relevance here?

Aled

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keithmroberts
2 minutes ago, Carmania said:

When I was a Civil Servant, many years ago, 'Dummy' files where created when the original was requested by a Survey or Audit team who were based somewhere else.

 

That was my experience in my earlier days in the Civil Service when clerical papers had to leave the office for almost any reason. The creation of a dummy file  allowed work to continue  while the original was being examined elsewhere. When the original was returned the two files would then be merged.

 

Keith

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Matlock1418
3 hours ago, Carmania said:

When I was a Civil Servant, many years ago, 'Dummy' files where created when the original was requested by a Survey or Audit team who were based somewhere else.

 

3 hours ago, keithmroberts said:

in my earlier days in the Civil Service when clerical papers had to leave the office for almost any reason. The creation of a dummy file  allowed work to continue  while the original was being examined elsewhere. When the original was returned the two files would then be merged.

 

Some 'inside knowledge' from you both - the wealth and depth of knowledge in GWF is always very encouraging.

Can see the reason for creating a "DUMMY" file if the original had been sent elsewhere

So ... how does that relate to "CHARGE CARRIED TO DUMMY"?

What is that saying about a ledger, like post #12 above, with that stamped upon it???

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