Woodsc Posted 4 January , 2019 Share Posted 4 January , 2019 (edited) Hi Could anyone please identify the uniform/unit and possible location of the attached image Thank You Edited 5 January , 2019 by Woodsc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardenerbill Posted 4 January , 2019 Share Posted 4 January , 2019 While we wait for an uniform expert I will give this a nudge and suggest he may be wearing a Brodrick cap which might make it pre WW1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddell Posted 5 January , 2019 Share Posted 5 January , 2019 (edited) It’s not a Brodrick Gardener Bill as it has a peak. The chain mesh on his shoulders is an identifier (possibly lancers). Scott Edited 5 January , 2019 by Waddell Spelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 5 January , 2019 Share Posted 5 January , 2019 I can't see anything to identify him: nothing obvious, anyway. Is it possibe to have an enlargement of the shoulder chains? Although not in themselves regimental-specific, there might be a title or something on them. I sort of edge towards a Yeomanry regiment, but I couldn't say more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERITAGE PLUS Posted 5 January , 2019 Share Posted 5 January , 2019 I edge towards Yeomanry too. The cap badge looks particularly small unless my eyes are deceiving me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsc Posted 5 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 5 January , 2019 Bit closer shot of cap badge/epaulettes ~ hope it helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 5 January , 2019 Share Posted 5 January , 2019 (edited) I think that he is Imperial Yeomanry, shoulder chains were common on the post Boer War uniform used previous to the wide scale roll out of khaki drab service dress. I think that he is wearing one of those earlier uniforms rather than SD. Notice his frock has no pleats on the chest pocket and yet it is not simplified SD given the scalloped pocket flaps. Unfortunately the cap badge is indiscernible. The same size buttons on both pockets and front also militate against the garment being SD. I would date it around 1906-07, after slouch hats had been replaced by the peaked forage cap. The West Kent and Sussex units were two that favoured shoulder chains to mention just two. Edited 5 January , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardenerbill Posted 5 January , 2019 Share Posted 5 January , 2019 14 hours ago, Waddell said: It’s not a Brodrick Gardener Bill as it has a peak. I thought that was the case but I was confused by Toby Braley's post #7 here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 5 January , 2019 Share Posted 5 January , 2019 The sword appears to have a straight blade, and therefore would be the Pattern 1908, which gives an earliest date. I don't know if these had been made available to the Yeomanry before the war, but the photo does have a TF summer camp look to it. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 5 January , 2019 Share Posted 5 January , 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Ron Clifton said: The sword appears to have a straight blade, and therefore would be the Pattern 1908, which gives an earliest date. I don't know if these had been made available to the Yeomanry before the war, but the photo does have a TF summer camp look to it. Ron Yes I agree that it seems to be a Summer training camp Ron, but just as with the Volunteer Force, I think that the pre-1908 yeomanry still attended camps, they were surely not invented by the TF. Edited 5 January , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 5 January , 2019 Share Posted 5 January , 2019 But if it is - as Ron thinks and I tend to agree it is - a 1908-pattern sword, then the picture must post-date the Imperial Yeomanry and be a Yeomanry outfit between 1908 and 1914, presumably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsc Posted 5 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 5 January , 2019 I was hoping the general consensus would lean toward the Lincolnshire Yeomanry who wore the epaulettes chains and a friend did comment it could be Grimthorpe Camp in view of the raised landscape. Also thought the cap badge profile was similar to the LY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 5 January , 2019 Share Posted 5 January , 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Steven Broomfield said: But if it is - as Ron thinks and I tend to agree it is - a 1908-pattern sword, then the picture must post-date the Imperial Yeomanry and be a Yeomanry outfit between 1908 and 1914, presumably. Yes, I see now what was meant. I was leaning towards the transition period between IY and T.F. but perhaps it was post 1908 then. Edited 5 January , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave66 Posted 5 January , 2019 Share Posted 5 January , 2019 I'm no expert, but I don't think it's the 1908 pattern cavalry troopers sword. The sword in the photo has a very angular handle and crossguard, with the grip bound with silver wire, similar to earlier patterns of cavalry sword. The 1908 pattern sword is very distinctive, one in Royal armouries here.....https://royalarmouries.org/stories/object-of-the-month/cavalry-troopers-sword/ Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoon Posted 5 January , 2019 Share Posted 5 January , 2019 He appears to be wearing a cross belt and pouch, does not look quite as fancy as the one that is on the cigarette card of the WKY that FROGSMILE has posted. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 7 January , 2019 Share Posted 7 January , 2019 On 05/01/2019 at 20:13, Dave66 said: I'm no expert, but I don't think it's the 1908 pattern cavalry troopers sword. The sword in the photo has a very angular handle and crossguard, with the grip bound with silver wire, similar to earlier patterns of cavalry sword. The 1908 pattern sword is very distinctive, one in Royal armouries here.....https://royalarmouries.org/stories/object-of-the-month/cavalry-troopers-sword/ +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 7 January , 2019 Share Posted 7 January , 2019 On 05/01/2019 at 22:05, Dragoon said: He appears to be wearing a cross belt and pouch, does not look quite as fancy as the one that is on the cigarette card of the WKY that FROGSMILE has posted. Chris Yes, he’s wearing a full dress pouch belt and review order throat plume, which is odd for someone allegedly ‘scouting’. If taken from life I imagine it was a bit of showboating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry B Posted 8 January , 2019 Share Posted 8 January , 2019 On 05/01/2019 at 15:58, Gardenerbill said: I thought that was the case but I was confused by Toby Braley's post #7 here: only the man behind the drum has a peaked cap, all the others are the peakless Brodrick cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardenerbill Posted 9 January , 2019 Share Posted 9 January , 2019 (edited) @Jerry B , if you read my comment I referred to post #7, a picture of a single mounted soldier wearing a peaked cap. Edited 9 January , 2019 by Gardenerbill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry B Posted 9 January , 2019 Share Posted 9 January , 2019 9 hours ago, Gardenerbill said: @Jerry B , if you read my comment I referred to post #7, a picture of a single mounted soldier wearing a peaked cap. OK, my mistake, I thought you were referring to the picture shown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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