chrissparrow Posted 4 January , 2019 Share Posted 4 January , 2019 Dear All, Please forgive my ignorance! Just picked up a Silver War Badge and understand that the recipient can be identified by the number on the back: 2684 Any info greatly appreciated! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 4 January , 2019 Share Posted 4 January , 2019 SWB 2684 was issued to Capt. Edgar P Hooley, Notts & Derby Rgt, address given as County Surveyors Office, Oxford J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissparrow Posted 4 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 4 January , 2019 Fantastic - thank you! Do we know the reason for discharge or how I can find this out? I am also intrigued by the very low number. Does this literally mean it was the 2684th issued? Many thanks, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 4 January , 2019 Share Posted 4 January , 2019 Middle name Purnell, only MIC I can find is when he applied for his TF Reserve medal c1920 no mention of SWB on MIC he also appears on a 1914 Army List. You’ll need to pull out his file at the NA for more information. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 4 January , 2019 Share Posted 4 January , 2019 It is an early SWB number, approved at AG10 Medal Office 13/11/1916. Badge No. 1 was approved at AG10 Medal Office 20/9/1916. Theoretically he should be the 2,684th man to get a SWB but always possible a block of numbers were not issued in sequence which would mean he was closer to being the first than the 2,684th. Badge 2685 was issued out of order so wasn't approved until 20/11/1916 and therefore the recipient didn't get his for a week or so after 2686 had received his. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissparrow Posted 4 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 4 January , 2019 Thanks TEW, great insight. Pleased to find an ‘early’ one and local to me. Still not sure how to find reason for award? chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 4 January , 2019 Share Posted 4 January , 2019 His service file...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBrook Posted 4 January , 2019 Share Posted 4 January , 2019 He died on 26 January 1942, aged 81 years so was about 53 years of age when war broke out. The issue of the silver war badge may have been simply due to his age when he was transferred to the Territorial Force Reserve as Quartermaster and Hon. Capt. on 5 November 1915 per this London Gazette notification https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29352/supplement/10908 This transfer date was corrected to 12 November 1915 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29469/supplement/1584 He retired on 29 October 1920 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/32103/supplement/10400 He was gazetted 2nd Lieutenant on 12 March 1892 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/26266/page/1439 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissparrow Posted 4 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 4 January , 2019 Wow! Thanks so much all. The wife gave me a medals book for Christmas and despite my huge interest in the Great War I had never really taken an interest in collecting - only researching people. Read the book and found out interesting facts, then in a charity shop this morning saw this SWB, found the number interestingly low and had to have it! £30. Seems like a reasonable price, but what you have all added makes it worth every penny! Will treasure it and present it with all your added information. Many, many thanks, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted 4 January , 2019 Share Posted 4 January , 2019 would the low number be from an officer block allocation? strange how such a low number bearing in mind these were only approved well after the Battle of the Somme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 4 January , 2019 Share Posted 4 January , 2019 (edited) Hi Chris and all Here is a photo to bring the badge to "life" Born 5th June, 1860 Swansea, died 26th Jan, 1942. Family tree on Ancestry. Regards Barry Edited 4 January , 2019 by The Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 4 January , 2019 Share Posted 4 January , 2019 10 hours ago, jay dubaya said: You’ll need to pull out his file at the NA for more information. .....or just sit tight and wait........nice thread fellas, I've learnt something today...thank you TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 4 January , 2019 Share Posted 4 January , 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, jay dubaya said: SWB 2684 was issued to Capt. Edgar P Hooley, Notts & Derby Rgt, address given as County Surveyors Office, Oxford J Hi All He was the County Council's surveyor, 1911 census, one of five children. He had four children 2 with military service. His elder son, George Bosley Hooley 1885-1989 ended as a Lt.Col. Here is a photo. MIC on Ancestry Younger son Robert born 1900 became a Freeman of the City of London in 1930. An interesting family. Regards Barry Edited 4 January , 2019 by The Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 5 January , 2019 Share Posted 5 January , 2019 Fair play Barry...well GB had a jolly good innings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 5 January , 2019 Share Posted 5 January , 2019 17 hours ago, chaz said: would the low number be from an officer block allocation? strange how such a low number bearing in mind these were only approved well after the Battle of the Somme Well, badge #1 and #2684 are on Officer Lists Off/1 - /Off/83. On average 13 officers to a sheet which adds up to 1079 rather than 2684. So approx 1605 badges between #1 and #2684 were issued either out of sequence or were issued via other Infantry Record Offices to ORs or NCOs. Battle of Somme finished 18/11/1916, I think Hooley's would have arrived in the post around 20/11/1916. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 5 January , 2019 Admin Share Posted 5 January , 2019 23 hours ago, jay dubaya said: His service file...... I can't find it either..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 5 January , 2019 Admin Share Posted 5 January , 2019 14 hours ago, The Inspector said: Hi All He was the County Council's surveyor, 1911 census, one of five children. He had four children 2 with military service. His elder son, George Bosley Hooley 1885-1989 ended as a Lt.Col. Here is a photo. MIC on Ancestry Younger son Robert born 1900 became a Freeman of the City of London in 1930. An interesting family. Regards Barry George's divorce is recorded at TNA http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8072242 along with his MIC http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D2946357 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 5 January , 2019 Admin Share Posted 5 January , 2019 Interesting Air Ministry record for Robert (can be read through the watermark) http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8273910 - also served in RNAS http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9754017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 5 January , 2019 Share Posted 5 January , 2019 Hi David and all, May as well have the photo of Robert 1 hour ago, DavidOwen said: Interesting Air Ministry record for Robert (can be read through the watermark) http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8273910 - also served in RNAS http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9754017 Regards Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissparrow Posted 5 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 5 January , 2019 Wow all! Many thanks again. I will now put together a little parcel to go with my SWB. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bif Posted 5 January , 2019 Share Posted 5 January , 2019 (edited) On 04/01/2019 at 09:17, HarryBrook said: silver war badge may have been simply due to his age Apparently not unusual. I hold the medal group for Roderick Robertson of the Seaforth. He is a DCM for Omdurman(2 Sept 1898) with MID for same, Queens Sudan, Khedive Sudan(Atbara & Khartoum), LS&GC (1 July 1904) and MSM(July 1935). His service # was 2269. He apparently re-joined the Seaforth under # s10887 as part of 4/Seaforth. There's no entitlement to any First War medals, but as he was discharged due to age, he recv'd the SWB (#329615, 16 Feb 1918), which I unfortunately do not have. Edited 5 January , 2019 by bif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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