samsearcher Posted 2 January , 2019 Share Posted 2 January , 2019 Could someone please help identify the badges being worn by my grandmother? I believe its her brothers WW1 uniform. THANKS john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBrook Posted 2 January , 2019 Share Posted 2 January , 2019 The cap badge is The Lancashire Fusiliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsearcher Posted 2 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 2 January , 2019 Thanks Harry, that's a long way from Norfolk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 2 January , 2019 Share Posted 2 January , 2019 Very interesting to see the collar badges, unusual until after the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 2 January , 2019 Share Posted 2 January , 2019 Just now, Muerrisch said: Very interesting to see the collar badges, unusual until after the war. The separate grenades from shoulder titles by the look of it. Not regimental pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 2 January , 2019 Share Posted 2 January , 2019 But was there a regimental NF pattern collar badge in the period? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsearcher Posted 2 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 2 January , 2019 (edited) Thanks gents, He seems to have been a Sargeant in 1914 and a Private (wounded) in 1916 No: 5201 T. Hubbard, wonder why?! I cannot find a medal card though. Edited 2 January , 2019 by samsearcher Extra info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 2 January , 2019 Share Posted 2 January , 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Muerrisch said: But was there a regimental NF pattern collar badge in the period? No, the LF wore the universal grenade as their collar badge right up until their merger into the RRF in 1968, only the RWF wore it for longer (until 2006-the very last unit to wear a badge that originated with the RA in 1881). They did however, wear a variety of shoulder titles during WW1. Edited 2 January , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 2 January , 2019 Share Posted 2 January , 2019 What a wonderful photo of your Grandmother John, I agree with all the above and may add that there's a lot of brass on her shoulder which may suggest a TF battalion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 2 January , 2019 Share Posted 2 January , 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, jay dubaya said: What a wonderful photo of your Grandmother John, I agree with all the above and may add that there's a lot of brass on her shoulder which may suggest a TF battalion. It’s just the standard 1914 configuration of a universal grenade mounted separately above LF, Jay. If you enlarge the image a little that is quite clear to see. Edited 2 January , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 2 January , 2019 Share Posted 2 January , 2019 Indeed it is, a quick snoop through Westlake reminds me of the length of the T/?/GRENADE/LF title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle of loos Posted 2 January , 2019 Share Posted 2 January , 2019 good evening, this one button find on the hill 70 at loos : michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 2 January , 2019 Share Posted 2 January , 2019 8 minutes ago, jay dubaya said: Indeed it is, a quick snoop through Westlake reminds me of the length of the T/?/GRENADE/LF title Yes indeed Jay, the Territorial Force, Fusilier regiments titles were pretty much all like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 2 January , 2019 Share Posted 2 January , 2019 Frogsmile, INo, the LF wore the universal grenade as their collar badge right up until their merger into the RRF in 1968, only the RWF wore it for longer (until 2006-the very last unit to wear a badge that originated with the RA in 1881). They did however, wear a variety of shoulder titles during WW1." Meaning no collar badge in the Great War, as I believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 2 January , 2019 Share Posted 2 January , 2019 Churchill refers to the 1902 pattern grenade and similar later patterns evident in photographs from 1914 and 1915 and goes on to say 'certainly all three patterns were being worn at the same time during WW1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBrook Posted 3 January , 2019 Share Posted 3 January , 2019 (edited) If you have access to ancestry, link to his M.I.C. https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1262/30850_A000787-03147/3511830?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return Entitled to the 1914-15 Star trio. Rank, Pte. on 1914-15 Star, Sjt. on B.W.M. and V.M. First theatre of war 2B (Gallipoli) on 3 August 1915. Edit to add: he is listed on the 1st Bn. Lancashire Fusiliers medal roll for the 1914-15 Star where his name is struck out and a note in the remarks column stating that he is on the 9th Bn. roll. He was discharged to Class Z Reserve 18 February 1919. The B.W.M. and V.M. roll lists his Bns. as 1st, 11th, and 18th. Edited 3 January , 2019 by HarryBrook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsearcher Posted 3 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 3 January , 2019 (edited) Thanks Gents for all this, esp.Harry for the extra info and Jay for kind words. Yes it is a great photo, I remember it hanging in their home. its about 20x16! john Edited 3 January , 2019 by samsearcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 3 January , 2019 Share Posted 3 January , 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Muerrisch said: Frogsmile, INo, the LF wore the universal grenade as their collar badge right up until their merger into the RRF in 1968, only the RWF wore it for longer (until 2006-the very last unit to wear a badge that originated with the RA in 1881). They did however, wear a variety of shoulder titles during WW1." Meaning no collar badge in the Great War, as I believe? Yes, not usually on SD, although I cannot say that no battalion ever did, especially if war-raised. I doubt that the lady shown put them on as a whim. As I know you are aware collar badges did not become general on SD until around 1924 in an attempt to smarten up for peacetime what was a rather drab and unprepossessing uniform for a regular army still with memories of scarlet. Afternote: the 9th was a Service Battalion, a type of unit that visual evidence shows was the most likely to wear collar badges for some reason. Edited 3 January , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 3 January , 2019 Share Posted 3 January , 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, battle of loos said: good evening, this one button find on the hill 70 at loos : michel An officer’s pattern button Michel. Edited 3 January , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle of loos Posted 3 January , 2019 Share Posted 3 January , 2019 good evening, thank's for your information. michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsearcher Posted 9 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 9 January , 2019 (edited) I have a matching portrait photo of my Grandfather, in his Norfolk Regiment (I think) uniform. Norfolk No: (December 1915) 29257. He transferred to 13th Essex No:41304 sometime before April 1917 (when he was wounded). I wonder if anyone (Harry?!) has any idea when this transfer took place, as he also transferred to 15th Essex when returning to duty in 1918 after being twice wounded.... he has papers from the 10th Essex also but I don't know if he was with them too. Thanks Edited 9 January , 2019 by samsearcher Add photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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