weshallremember Posted 29 December , 2018 Share Posted 29 December , 2018 hello looking for any information regarding george page who worked at st johns v.a.d hospital hastngs what did he do on the railway,family,etc thanks trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 29 December , 2018 Share Posted 29 December , 2018 Trevor, This record, on Ancestry, shows he worked as a Shunter at Hastings for the London, Brighton and South Coast Railways.https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1728/32167_626640_0516-00200?pid=535394&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DbmY21709%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26db%3Dukrailway%26gsfn%3DGEORGE%26gsln%3DPAGE%26gsfn_x%3D1%26gsln_x%3D1%26cp%3D0%26msydy%3D1915%26msydy_x%3D1%26msydp%3D5%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26redir%3Dfalse%26uidh%3D9y4%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D37%26fh%3D13%26h%3D535394%26recoff%3D3%204%26ml_rpos%3D14&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=bmY21709&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true There are probably more mentions of him in these records. Regards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 29 December , 2018 Share Posted 29 December , 2018 Trevor, This obituary from 1936, on Findmypast, describes his 30 years ambulance service, and there is a photo of him. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0000293%2f19300111%2f137 Regards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 29 December , 2018 Share Posted 29 December , 2018 Hi Trevor, The bottom part of the 'medal' appears to show assay marks for Birmingham 1914, with the maker being W.M. Dowler & Sons. Are the 1916/17/18 parts hallmarked? Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 29 December , 2018 Share Posted 29 December , 2018 According bto the 1911 census, he is George Thomas Page, but the medal shows George S. Page! https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/2352/rg14_04741_0951_03?pid=51069045&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DbmY21734%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26db%3D1911england%26gsfn%3Dgeorge%26gsln%3Dpage%26gsfn_x%3D1%26gsln_x%3D1%26cp%3D11%26gskw%3Dhastings%26gskw_x%3D1%26msbdy%3D1879%26msbdy_x%3D1%26msbdp%3D2%26qh%3DFBfOfR5xSG/whwk%2B4s4thA%3D%3D%26new%3D1%26redir%3Dfalse%26uidh%3D9y4%26gss%3Dangs-d%26rank%3D1%26pcat%3D35%26fh%3D3%26h%3D51069045%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D4&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=bmY21734&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true Regards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weshallremember Posted 29 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 29 December , 2018 yes the bars are hallmarked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weshallremember Posted 29 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 29 December , 2018 maybe this is not the right geoge page could not find a george s page got the details from a hastings newspaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 29 December , 2018 Share Posted 29 December , 2018 Hi Trevor, 21 minutes ago, weshallremember said: yes the bars are hallmarked That's interesting. Each of the bars seems to have the Birmingham mark, and date stamp which co-responds to the year show on the front. The 1916 one appears to have been made by W.M. Dowler & Sons; the 1917 one possibly by Vaughton & Sons. The 1918 one - I can't quite make out the makers mark. Rhetorical question - I wonder why there isn't a bar for 1915? Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 29 December , 2018 Share Posted 29 December , 2018 Trevor, Ancestry has some records for George S Page, living in Birmingham;- https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=6598&h=2368137&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=bmY21765&_phstart=successSource https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/3145/GB0638-01026?pid=28284635&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D3145%26h%3D28284635%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DbmY21767%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=bmY21767&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true This could be the person mentioned on the medal. Regards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 29 December , 2018 Share Posted 29 December , 2018 Hi, I don't think that the medallion/'bars' being made and assayed in Birmingham can tell us one way or another about where he lived and worked. I think that the key is linking the 185110 number to some St John Ambulance (or other) records. Do they have an archives section? Are the service details in post #1 linked by the number? Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weshallremember Posted 29 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 29 December , 2018 https://vad.redcross.org.uk/ this red cross site only lists 3 george page but no number of badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 29 December , 2018 Share Posted 29 December , 2018 It's important to remember that not every Red Cross member is recorded on the Red Cross website. Regards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 29 December , 2018 Share Posted 29 December , 2018 Hi, I don't know, but hopefully someone else will...are people that volunteered/served with the St John Ambulance included in the database of those that volunteered/served with the Red Cross? Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 29 December , 2018 Share Posted 29 December , 2018 Chris, At the end of the war the Red Cross didn't actually know what their members had done. They therefore sent out questionaires to all members {including S.J.A.B.}. This resulted in the cards included in the BRC website. This all depended on members telling the Red Cross what they had done. Some members didn't reply because their address had changed, some had died, and some perhaps didn't want to reply. Although probably not relevant here, Scottish members do not seem to survived, apart from those who served abroad, or in an English/Irish/Welsh unit, although there are a few exceptions. Regards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 29 December , 2018 Share Posted 29 December , 2018 (edited) St John Ambulance has its own archives if I recall correctly. Edited 29 December , 2018 by seaJane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 29 December , 2018 Share Posted 29 December , 2018 (edited) Thanks Alf McM, That's interesting. I didn't know that. On that basis, it sounds like we can't 100% rule out that the service details don't relate to the medallion. I guess that the way for Trevor to go is to track down the archives that seaJane thinks exists, to see if they can help. Regards Chris Edited 29 December , 2018 by clk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 29 December , 2018 Share Posted 29 December , 2018 1 hour ago, clk said: the archives that seaJane thinks exists, Here they are:- http://museumstjohn.org.uk/research/st-john-archive/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 30 December , 2018 Share Posted 30 December , 2018 Trevor, I think that George Page mentioned on the Red Cross record card is George Page mentioned in the FMP newspaper article. However, he doesn't appear to be the person mentioned on the medal. Regards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weshallremember Posted 30 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 30 December , 2018 how come this person was not conscripted in 1916 either age or job ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weshallremember Posted 30 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 30 December , 2018 as a last resort i have contacted the paper that issued the obituary to see if any relatives know if mr page had a middle name. as with army records and census details some times middle names are not listed trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 30 December , 2018 Share Posted 30 December , 2018 Trevor, It was common at the time for the mother's maiden surname to be used as a middle name, even if it didn't appear on a child's birth certificate. Regards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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