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Pte Thomas Campbell,9bn Kings Liverppool Regiment.


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I have been trying to find more info re  my grandfather's WW1 service.My basic Ancestry account has so far yielded only sketchy details.I know he was in 9 bn of the King's Liverpool from the birth certificate of my aunt,born in May 1917.

The only documentation I have found that fits the bill is attached. My father told me his dad died from complications relating to wounds received,in 1923 when he was aged 4, I have just obtained his death certificate,which seems to confirm this if I have understood the details correctly.

Is it likely that there may be information I am unable to see due to my limited subscription re military hospital records for example?,in fact anything at all  to be honest,as I would like to finish my project if possible.

Any offers of help would be gratefully accepted.

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Edited by redtom1950
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He enlisted 20/11/1916 and was discharged under King's Regulations 392 (xvi) B I on 17/07/1918.

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Silver War Badge No. 425,885

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Struggling to find anything that you don't already have.

 

Born 1890 and was married.

His pension commenced on 18/07/1918.

He also had a gunshot wound to his right thigh.

On 27/07/1920 his degree of disablement was listed as 40%.

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Hello Tom, 

 

Thomas appeared on the War Office Casualty list in Sept 1917, more than likely putting the wound date late July/early August, it also qualified him for a wound stripe. 

 

The 9th were in action at Passchendaele from the 31st July 1917 see all ties in.

 

Andy 

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Edited by HolymoleyRE
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I have one concern about the identified soldier. His age in 1918 in the SWB Roll is 27. He dies 5 years later ,according to the death certificate, aged 26. 

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Hi All

 Redtom...I agree with Mark, I think you may have the wrong soldier's details. What was your grandmother's maiden name? Was it Cockram?Cockrane? Known as "Cissie" If you can give us more family details it narrows down the search....looking

1911 census Ruth Cockrane, 16 Oliver St., Liverpool (as death cert)   married Michael Thomas Campbell, a painter on 21st March 1915 aged 21yrs. Born 1894  ?? died 1923.

Aunt??? Annie May Campbell  (Married name Bickerstaff 1934) b. West Derby, 1917 8b,951. Mother's maiden name Cockram.Second World War Army

Is this your great uncle George Frederick Cockram??? B.1910.

 

 

 

Regards Barry

Edited by The Inspector
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Also #56828 doesn't appear to have been a 9th Battalion man... 17th & 18th Btns

 

None of the sole KLR Thomas Campbell at present seem to be 9th Btn men,  there are a couple TCs of transfers to the Labour Corps, but nothing to indicate a Btn at this stage. 

 

Similar numbers to 75577 & 66260 seem to have gone to Labour/Works Btns, which ties in with the low LC numbers. 

 

 

Andy

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Edited by HolymoleyRE
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35 minutes ago, HolymoleyRE said:

Also #56828 doesn't appear to have been a 9th Battalion man... 17th & 18th Btns

 

None of the sole KLR Thomas Campbell at present seem to be 9th Btn men,  there are a couple TCs of transfers to the Labour Corps, but nothing to indicate a Btn at this stage. 

 

Similar numbers to 75577 & 66260 seem to have gone to Labour/Works Btns, which ties in with the low LC numbers. 

 

 

Andy

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Forces War Records details give Private 56828 Thomas Campbell, King's (Liverpool Regiment), Depot

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Long, Long Trail has the following information that may answer the "Depot" reference:-

 

21st and 22nd (Reserve) Battalions
Formed in Knowsley Park in August 1915 as Reserve battalions, from depot companies of the four City Bns.
1 September 1916 : converted into 67th and 68th Training Reserve Battalions in 16th Reserve Brigade.

 

http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-british-infantry-regiments-of-1914-1918/kings-liverpool-regiment/

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Hi All

Just to save everybody some time..... Ancestry records show him to be Michael Thomas Campbell !! I think we need some more input from Redtom.

Regards Barry

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Michael T Campbell married Ruth Cockram, 1st Qt. 1915, Liverpool

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1 hour ago, The Inspector said:

Hi All

Just to save everybody some time..... Ancestry records show him to be Michael Thomas Campbell !! I think we need some more input from Redtom.

Regards Barry

Hahaha ... Well there you go, nice one Barry.

 

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My apologies to you HTSCF Fareham  HolymoleyRE  Mark1959 and The Inspector, I was unaware of your comments as I had it in my head that I'd receive an email for any response to my post,and have only just seen all your replies

I remarked in my post that the documents I posted were the only ones I had been able to find that were potentially my grandfather's,and I was hoping that I could have cracked this finally.It looks like I'm back to square one here, but I must clarify some details lest you think me a time waster...

I hope the attachment goes some way to explaining the confusion you have experienced while attempting to help me.I have no explanation for my grandfather's reasons in 'changing' his name,but as he was hospitalised using 'Thomas Campbell,  I'd assumed that was the same name he'd used on enlisting/conscription,hence landing on 56828,as I couldn't find anything close in 9 bn....

 

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Edited by redtom1950
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Catholic. Baptism record 10/1/1897. Father Michael. mother Maria Joanna. So as redftom says b. 23/12/1896 and called Thomas Joseph. Mother maiden name may be Mason. Address as given above. 

What evidence do you have he was in the 9th Battalion?

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4 minutes ago, Mark1959 said:

Catholic. Baptism record 10/1/1897. Father Michael. mother Maria Joanna. So as redftom says b. 23/12/1896 and called Thomas Joseph. Mother maiden name may be Mason. Address as given above. 

Hello Mark,thank you for your time spent on this,I hope you were able to make sense of my last posting...Yes Mason is correct, but I'm loathe to have people making all this effort if there's nothing to find,when only concrete facts I have are his photgraph in uniform,and battalion and regiment from my aunt's birth cert...

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We love a challenge. The extra info may well be useful. May be worth posting his picture in uniform. To see if their are any clues. Unlikely but you never know. 

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He appears in 1920 Electoral registers at 16 Oliver Street. Says he is resident so appears to have been out of the army by then. Others showing at that address - Sam and Ruth Cochrane. Under name Thomas.

Edited by Mark1959
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......Sam and Ruth Cockram,his in laws........(or my g.grandparents).

 

The attached is himself

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Edited by redtom1950
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32 minutes ago, Mark1959 said:

We love a challenge. The extra info may well be useful. May be worth posting his picture in uniform. To see if their are any clues. Unlikely but you never know. 

Defo agree with the photo. 

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Photo seems to confirm Kings Liverpool Regiment. Looks like their cap badge.

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9th Battalion King’s (Liverpool) Regiment were part of the Territorial Force.  According to the daughter’s birth certificate Thomas Campbell was serving with that battalion in May 1917 which means he should have been issued a six-digit service number in the range 330001 to 355000 after the Territorial Force was renumbered in early 1917.

I’m not saying it’s definitely him but I would make the suggestion that one of the men Andy found earlier (King’s 5584 / King’s 332433 / Labour Corps 504157 / Royal Engineers WR344251) would be worthwhile looking into further as the two King’s Regt. numbers point to him being a 9th Battalion man before later transfers.

 

Steve

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Great stuff Steve.

That man appears on a War Office wounded List 2/11/16. Sadly no battalion. 2/9th KLR not in France until 1917. So in 1/9th if in the “9th”.

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Medal Roll shows this man was indeed 9th KLR

Edited by Mark1959
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[Image from National Archives Ref. WO 329/0593 and sourced via Ancestry.co.uk]

Edited by SteveE
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16 minutes ago, Mark1959 said:

Great stuff Steve.

That man appears an a War Office wounded List 2/11/16. Sadly no battalion. 2/9th KLR not in France until 1917. So if 1/9th if in the “9th”.

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Medal Roll shows this man was indeed 9th KLR

Well done chaps. 

 

Andy

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