hen190782 Posted 24 December , 2018 Share Posted 24 December , 2018 Good Morning The Guinness Roll of Honour records that Henry Corrin was awarded the Distinguished Service Medal, which I understood was only awarded to naval personnel in the Great War. I think his service number is 7093 but I cannot find a reference in London Gazette for Corrin 7093 and I cannot find entries on the Ancestry catalogues for MM awards or DCM awards. I would be grateful for any advice. Thanks Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil 2242 Posted 24 December , 2018 Share Posted 24 December , 2018 4 hours ago, hen190782 said: ..... the Distinguished Service Medal, which I understood was only awarded to naval personnel in the Great War. It was for bravery at sea. So yes primarily for naval personnel, but Army and RAF personnel serving afloat would have been eligible (for example, anti-aircraft gunners on merchant vessels). But it seems most unlikely for a Guardsman! If it was a mistaken entry, and should have read Distinguished Conduct medal, that seems more plausible. However, I've looked on FindmyPast, and like you I can find nothing on Henry Corrin except for his MIC. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hen190782 Posted 24 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 24 December , 2018 Thanks. I wonder whether it was Meritorious Service Medal. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchener's Bugle Posted 25 December , 2018 Share Posted 25 December , 2018 It might be an error but there is another man on that Roll who is also listed as having been awarded the DSM - George F Woods 2nd Bn Irish Guards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hen190782 Posted 25 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 25 December , 2018 Thanks, KB, yes I came across woods as well - again, could not find reference to gallantry award on LG or other sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tullybrone Posted 25 December , 2018 Share Posted 25 December , 2018 Hi, I’ve had a look through the online Irish Guards WW1 2 Volume Regimental History by Kipling. A word search for Corrin drew a blank and a look through the Honours & Awards in the Volume 2 Appendices reveals no awards of any description to any Corrin. As the OP information is sourced from a unofficial non military source I think it would be fair to conclude that an error has been made in compilation of the Guinness list and Corrin was not awarded a DSM. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hen190782 Posted 25 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 25 December , 2018 Hi Steve Thanks for checking the online Irish Guards history - I would be grateful for a link to that resource. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 25 December , 2018 Share Posted 25 December , 2018 For what its worth. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?searchMoreVisible=false&census_year=1911&surname=corrin&firstname=&county19011911=Dublin&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&parish=&ward=&barony=&townland=&houseNumber=&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search&ageInMonths=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&yearsMarried=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumber=&protNumber=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving= http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Kinahan_Street_/42373/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tullybrone Posted 25 December , 2018 Share Posted 25 December , 2018 1 hour ago, hen190782 said: Hi Steve Thanks for checking the online Irish Guards history - I would be grateful for a link to that resource. Nigel Hi, Volume One Link - https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015008521158;view=2up;seq=10;skin=mobile Volume Two Link - https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015008521000;view=2up;seq=12;skin=mobile You ought to be able to download and keep each volume for free. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hen190782 Posted 25 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 25 December , 2018 6 minutes ago, tullybrone said: Hi, Volume One Link - https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015008521158;view=2up;seq=10;skin=mobile Volume Two Link - https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015008521000;view=2up;seq=12;skin=mobile You ought to be able to download and keep each volume for free. Steve Thanks, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorporalPunishment Posted 26 December , 2018 Share Posted 26 December , 2018 On 24/12/2018 at 13:44, Neil 2242 said: It was for bravery at sea. So yes primarily for naval personnel, but Army and RAF personnel serving afloat would have been eligible (for example, anti-aircraft gunners on merchant vessels). But it seems most unlikely for a Guardsman! If it was a mistaken entry, and should have read Distinguished Conduct medal, that seems more plausible. However, I've looked on FindmyPast, and like you I can find nothing on Henry Corrin except for his MIC. ??? As I understand it, RAF personnel serving afloat only became eligible for the DSM in 1940 and Army personnel serving afloat became eligible in 1942 along with MN personnel. It would seem to be a misprint. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hen190782 Posted 26 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 26 December , 2018 20 minutes ago, CorporalPunishment said: As I understand it, RAF personnel serving afloat only became eligible for the DSM in 1940 and Army personnel serving afloat became eligible in 1942 along with MN personnel. It would seem to be a misprint. Pete. Thanks, Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 26 December , 2018 Share Posted 26 December , 2018 I could not find any DSM to a Corrin between 1914 an 1919 inclusive either. I did find a large group of British & Commonwealth soldiers who were granted the King's permission to wear the American Distinguished Service Medal, but they were all senior staff officers or battalion commanders - no ORs whatsoever. They were in LG 1919 Issue 31451 published 11 July 1919 - see here Is it possible that Irish Guards ORs were also awarded this US gong and I've failed to turn up any LG reference? Perhaps if they were serving alongside any US Army troops? Longshot definitely, but could be worth exploring further. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hen190782 Posted 26 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 26 December , 2018 5 minutes ago, MBrockway said: I could not find any DSM to a Corrin between 1914 an 1919 inclusive either. I did find a large group of British & Commonwealth soldiers who were granted the King's permission to wear the American Distinguished Service Medal, but they were all senior staff officers or battalion commanders - no ORs whatsoever. They were in LG 1919 Issue 31451 published 11 July 1919 - see here Is it possible that Irish Guards ORs were also awarded this US gong and I've failed to turn up any LG reference? Perhaps if they were serving alongside any US Army troops? Longshot definitely, but could be worth exploring further. Mark Thanks, Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tullybrone Posted 26 December , 2018 Share Posted 26 December , 2018 4 minutes ago, MBrockway said: I could not find any DSM to a Corrin between 1914 an 1919 inclusive either. I did find a large group of British & Commonwealth soldiers who were granted the King's permission to wear the American Distinguished Service Medal, but they were all senior staff officers or battalion commanders - no ORs whatsoever. They were in LG 1919 Issue 31451 published 11 July 1919 - see here Is it possible that Irish Guards ORs were also awarded this US gong and I've failed to turn up any LG reference? Perhaps if they were serving alongside any US Army troops? Longshot definitely, but could be worth exploring further. Mark Hi, It could be a possibility as IIRC when 3rd CG & 2nd IG were transferred from 4th Guards Brigade to GHQ Reserve in May 1918 (after severe losses holding the line at Hazebrouck in April 1918) they were both involved in training American and U.K. troops. Many “foreign gongs” - including American DSM - are listed in Kipling’s Regimental History. About 20 IG US MSM awards are listed but Corrin doesn’t get a mention. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 26 December , 2018 Share Posted 26 December , 2018 (edited) On 24/12/2018 at 14:05, hen190782 said: Thanks. I wonder whether it was Meritorious Service Medal. Nigel No sign of MSMs to any Corrin nor Wood in the Irish Guards in WO 372/24 Edit: that's the British MSM, not the US version! Edited 26 December , 2018 by MBrockway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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