Dever Mayfly Posted 14 December , 2018 Share Posted 14 December , 2018 I am wondering what was the entitlement of a soldier who served in a territorial battalion from the beginning of the war and went to India in 1916 with his battalion. Private Percy James' medal card WO 372/10/196142 shows that he received the 1915 Star but not the TF War Medal. A sergeant in the same battalion, received a TEM (presumably between 1921 and 1930 WO 372/12/90745 ). Could anyone clarify the entitlements i.e. if you received the 1914 or 1915 Star could you also recieve a TFWM and if you received a TFWM could you later receive a TFEM or a TEM or even the Efficiency Medal after 1930? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 14 December , 2018 Share Posted 14 December , 2018 Hi, The award of a Star medal negated any entitlement to the TFWM. There's a bit about it on the LLT here. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Underdown Posted 14 December , 2018 Share Posted 14 December , 2018 TFWM was only for those not eligible for a Star, and I beleive you had to have signed the Imperial Service Obligation by a certain date, even if you did not actually serve overseas imemdiately. The Efficiency Medals were purely long service medals so any campaign medal entitlement was irrelevant, though war service counted double towards the time requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dever Mayfly Posted 14 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 14 December , 2018 That's a great help - many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loader Posted 15 December , 2018 Share Posted 15 December , 2018 To have earned the Star for service in INDIA he would have to have served in an area designated as a combat area or some sort of wording. That would have negated any qualification for the TFWM he may have had. Gordon's book on British Medals has an explanation & names some areas that earned the star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaureenE Posted 15 December , 2018 Share Posted 15 December , 2018 The criteria for the award go the 1914-15 Star are set out in this link http://www.defence.gov.au/Medals/_Master/docs/Imperial/WWI/WWI-criteria-1914-15-Star-Australian-transcribed.pdf India is included under Asiatic Theatre. however all the relevant dates appear to be for 1914-1915, so if he did not go to India until 1916, he must have become eligible for the medal elsewhere. Cheers Maureen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dever Mayfly Posted 15 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 15 December , 2018 57 minutes ago, Maureene said: India is included under Asiatic Theatre. however all the relevant dates appear to be for 1914-1915, so if he did not go to India until 1916, he must have become eligible for the medal elsewhere. His medal card shows that he served with the Somerset Light Infantry before transferring to the 9th Hampshires. I am presuming that he earned the Star with the former regiment, but I can't find his attestation paper to confirm the dates, or which battalion. The 1901 Census shows that his father was a hewer in the Somerset coal mines south of Bath and Percy was a 7-year-old carting boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 15 December , 2018 Share Posted 15 December , 2018 (edited) Hi, He appears on the 15 Star Roll of the Hampshire Regiment, but as... Image Source - Ancestry.co.uk According to the LLT (link), theatre code 5g = Hafiz. The first two hits on Findmypast here seem to relate to him (albeit his given names have been transposed in the search results). Unfortunately, there isn't a decent breakdown of his service history, as they are largely post war medical records which indicate that he was admitted to hospital (for 12 days from 19th October 1915) in Peshawar, suffering from malaria. They also show... Image Source - Findmypast Those dates tie in reasonably nicely with when the 1/4 SLI left Southampton, and arrived in Bombay - link In addition it has this... Image Source - Findmypast As well as the service numbers shown on his medal records, it looks like he had two other numbers - 200092, and 241997 ??. All three 6 digit numbers are as a result of the renumbering scheme of the TF that was introduced in 1917, where number blocks were issued to Battalions within a Regiment. By near number sampling for men who do have surviving service papers, it may let you draw some reasonable inferences about your chap. For example, looking at his 210909 Hants number, there is a record for a 210893 Lee (NB his record does seem to have an alternative number of 201693 crossed through).. Images Sourced - Findmypast Ignoring the earlier part of the record (he had a much higher SLI number, implying later enlistment, and movements), what does seem relevant is that he was a compulsory transfer in India to the Hants Regiment on 29th September 1918, and posted to the 1/9th Bn. It is though dangerous to make assumptions based on just one other record. Obviously the bigger the sample size the better. It's also interesting to note that for some reason, neither the number for Lee or your chap fall within the block apparently allocated to the 9th Hants under the 1917 scheme previously linked. Regards Chris Edited 15 December , 2018 by clk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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