Skipman Posted 11 December , 2018 Share Posted 11 December , 2018 Found a 1/3rd Scottish Horse soldier attached to "7/Fd RE" on a casualty list suffering diarrheoa. I think this dates from September 1915 when he was serving at the Dardanelles, Suvla Bay. He went on to serve with the 10th Field Troop Camel Corps (RE) probably something to do with water (he was a plumber). I'm going round in circles trying to identify the 7th Field Company or similar that served at Gallipoli. I can find mentions of 7th Fld Coy in 1917 and 1918 no problem. Which unit is this? (attached) Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 11 December , 2018 Share Posted 11 December , 2018 (edited) Mike I think it is likely to be 7 Field Troop a mounted RE unit. Also there is 7 Field Sqn which was formed in Egypt in 1918 but is out of your range date. 7 Field Company was with the BEF. TR Edited 11 December , 2018 by Terry_Reeves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 11 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 11 December , 2018 Hi Terry, thank again. That makes sense. I will see if can find anything else on a 7/Fld Troop. Will also check more of the names on the list. 3 of them date from September/October 1915 so assume the rest of the entries will be from that time. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 11 December , 2018 Share Posted 11 December , 2018 3 minutes ago, Skipman said: Hi Terry, thank again. That makes sense. I will see if can find anything else on a 7/Fld Troop. Will also check more of the names on the list. 3 of them date from September/October 1915 so assume the rest of the entries will be from that time. Mike Mike , 7th Field Troop served with 5th Mounted Brigade in EEF. TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 11 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 11 December , 2018 Thanks again Terry. Appreciate your help and thanks for keeping me in the right direction. Will keep looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 11 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 11 December , 2018 So they were Divisional troops of the 11th Division in EEF (I think) Where were they at Suvla? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 11 December , 2018 Share Posted 11 December , 2018 Mike 11th (Northern) Division were at Suvla, landed beginning of August. According to the Order of Battle Divisional troops included 67th, 68th & 86th Field Companies RE. Not sure whether that helps. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 11 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 11 December , 2018 Hi Alan. Thanks for that. I will check their diary. It will all make sense to me at some point. Thank you all for your time so far. This soldier's service is not straightforward. Oh for a service record. Alas! There is not one. I know a great deal more than I did a couple of days ago. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 11 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 11 December , 2018 Not convinced the 5th Mounted Brigade were in the 11th Division at Gallipoli. It's too late.Will have a fresh look in the morning. Cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 11 December , 2018 Share Posted 11 December , 2018 Mike 5th Mounted Brigade were not part of 11th (Infantry) Division. Below is the history of 1/3rd Scottish Horse from British Regiments 1914-1918 by Brigadier EA James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 11 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 11 December , 2018 Thank you Terry. There is a newspaper report that he was wounded about end September. A bit of service history from the Scottish Horse ledgers mention wounded 23rd September. The piece on FMP that mentions 7/Fld RE has him suffering from Diarrheoa. Other men on this list that is not dated so far appear to date this to Sept/Oct 1915. I'm sure if I keep chipping away it will all make sense. Thank you very much indeed for your help so far. I shouldn't trust wiki but I thought it said here 7th Field Troop was part of 11th Div in EEF Click 11th (Northern) Division GOC Major General E. A. Fanshawe 32nd Brigade 9th West Yorkshire Regiment 6th Yorkshire Regiment 8th West Riding Regiment 6th York and Lancaster Regiment 32nd Brigade Machine Gun Company 33rd Brigade 6th Lincolnshire Regiment 6th Border Regiment 7th South Staffordshire Regiment 9th Sherwood Foresters 33rd Brigade Machine Gun Company 34th Brigade 8th Northumberland Fusiliers 9th Lancashire Fusiliers 5th Dorsetshire Regiment 11th Manchester Regiment 34th Brigade Machine Gun Company Divisional Troops Mounted Troops 1 Squadron 1/1st Hertfordshire Yeomanry 11th Cyclist Company Artillery LVIII Brigade RFA LIX Brigade RFA LX Brigade RFA CXXXIII Brigade RFA Engineers 67th Field Company RE 68th Field Company RE 86th Field Company RE Signal Service 11th Divisional Signal Company Pioneers 6th East Yorkshire Regiment ASC 11th Divisional Train (Supply details only) Medical Units 33rd, 34th, 35th Field Ambulances No. 3 Section Canal Defences GOC etc Headquarters 52nd Division Corps Troops Mounted Troops 5th Mounted Brigade 1/1st Warwick Yeomanry 1/1st Gloucester Yeomanry 1/1st Worcester Yeomanry 1/1st South Midland Signal Troop "A" Battery, H.A.C. No. 7 Field Troop 1/1st South Midland Mounted Brigade Field Ambulance Engineers 220th Army Troops Company RE Signal Service No. 21 Airline Section WW Cable Section Cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 11 December , 2018 Share Posted 11 December , 2018 Mike Yes I agree, but I was referring to the EEF and not Gallipoli per your original post. I will continue looking. TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 12 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 12 December , 2018 (edited) Morning Terry. Thanks again. The RE one of a number of my weak points. So basically I'm looking for a unit (probably 7th Field Troop) that was at Suvla in September, 1915, to which this man was attached. I've been looking at the names on the casualty list again and not finding MICs that correspond to a lot of the numbers. Will keep checking to make sure am correct that this is Gallipoli September 1915. Sick and wounded N.C.O's and men ....Hamilton Records Office 7787 Pte Kelso S Royal Scots Fusiliers Territorial Force Hamilton Records Ofice 4424 Pte Heron R 1/4th Royal Scots 1560 Pte Hendrie J 1/7th Royal Scots 2714 Pte Baird R 1/7th Royal Scots 1212 Trooper Wallace A Lanark Yeomanry 600 Pte McKendrick Lanark Yeomanry 2221 Pte Grierson J 1/Lanark Yeomanry 4272 Trooper Kay J 1/Lanark Yeomanry 2338 Pte McCullum T 1/Ayr Yeomanry 2390 Pte McCauley J Lanark Yeomanry 2489 Pte Elam D 4/5th Royal Scots 1359 Pte Wright W 1/5th HLI 909 Pte McCulloch 1/4th Royal Scots 879 Pte Blair J 1/7th Highland Light Infantry 4611 Pte Arrowsmith D 5/King's Own Scottish Borderers 7502 Pte Kilgour R 7/Scottish Rifles 7571 Pte Gillen F 1/5th Royal Scots Fusiliers Territorial Force Records Perth Office 3459 Pte Lowden J 1/1stScottish Horse 788 Sjt Murray S 3933 Trooper Patterson W 1/1st Scottish Horse 3504 Pte Low J 1/1st Scottish Horse 4011 Trooper Wardie J 1/2nd Scottish Horse57 Spr Campbell 3/Scottish Horse att 7/Fd RE 1461 Trooper Watson W 1/2nd Scottish Horse 5834 Pte Taylor R 2/Scottish Horse 4902 Pte Cairns J R 1/2nd Scottish Horse 5370 L/Cpl Campbell J 1/2nd Scottish Horse 3691 Pte Guthrie C 1/Scottish Horse 5583 Sjt Gordan D R 1/2nd Scottish Horse 3389 Pte Petrie J 1/5th Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders Edited 12 December , 2018 by Skipman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 12 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 12 December , 2018 Am having trouble finding names and numbers on this list that correspond but this one, although it is the earliest on the list so far, at least put them at Gallipoli. Forces War Records 7571 Philip Gillon 1/5th Royal Scots Fusiliers wounded 12/7/1915 to Clearing Hospital on “W”Beach Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 12 December , 2018 Share Posted 12 December , 2018 Mike Came across the attached from The Times, 22nd October 1915, p3, column 4. Under the Mediterranean Expeditionary Force - Wounded. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 12 December , 2018 Share Posted 12 December , 2018 Mike Guthrie, C. No. 3691 is reported wounded in The Times 13th October 1915, p3, column 5. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 12 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 12 December , 2018 Thanks Alan. That another confirmation of his being wounded. Attached another mention of his being wounded 23/9/1915 bu I cannot read he writing so unsure what the cause is. Looks like "shrapnel"? Yet the FindMyPast piece has "Diarrheoa" from (I think) the same time. The 7th Fd RE ref is the one that is problematic. Mike 2 minutes ago, alantwo said: Mike Guthrie, C. No. 3691 is reported wounded in The Times 13th October 1915, p3, column 5. Alan Thank you, that's useful as it helps date the list as the time I think it to be. Cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 12 December , 2018 Share Posted 12 December , 2018 I would probably go for 'Shrapnel Scalp'. The Times does not appear to record those sick only wounded which ties in with your latest post. The only mention I can find of Field Troop RE in the Official History for Gallipoli August Order of Battle, are New Zealand Engineers which formed part of New Zealand and Australian Division. Regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 12 December , 2018 Share Posted 12 December , 2018 I'm not sure if this is of any help, but, if you have access to the WD [WO95/4293] then for October 1915 the writer gives some names of the wounded incld O/Rs Alas, the writer of the September entries did not do so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 12 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 12 December , 2018 (edited) 43 minutes ago, michaeldr said: I'm not sure if this is of any help, but, if you have access to the WD [WO95/4293] then for October 1915 the writer gives some names of the wounded incld O/Rs Alas, the writer of the September entries did not do so Thank you Michael. Yes I do have access and good plan. I see some casualties on this page which includes some of the names in the list.That will help and will check them out. I don't see any in the October diary unless this August entry (I think?) is in the wrong place? Click Edit Sorry the page I linked to is not a casualty list. Mike Edited 12 December , 2018 by Skipman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 12 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 12 December , 2018 I'm seeing numbers of casualties in the October Diary but no actual regimental numbers or names? Click Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 12 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 12 December , 2018 Looked in CWGC, Effects, various places including Geoff's Engine Gallipoli Cemeteries for anything resembling 7/Fld RE, nearest can see is Sapper Albert Willey, 71st Field Coy. It could easily be an error? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 12 December , 2018 Share Posted 12 December , 2018 5 hours ago, Skipman said: I'm seeing numbers of casualties in the October Diary but no actual regimental numbers or names? 1/3rd Scottish Horse 1/10/15 - 31/10/15 1/10/15 – W(ounded) Killan A 149 (?spelling) & Campbell E 393 2/10/15 – Wounded Miller H 38 3/10/15 - Thompson N 293 5/10/15 – Kiricher J (or I - ? all spelling) 412 (at least the number is clear ) 7/10/15 – Killed Vaghie J 356 8/10/15 – Wounded Chaplin R 571 14/10/15 – Wounded Mitchell G 1168 22/10/15 – Wounded Paterson W 959 25/10/15 – Watson G(?) 611 26/10/15 – Kerrechen F (?spelling) 482 28/10/15 – 4 men killed: Hardy J 540, Lawson J 617, Taylor J 566, Philip A 675 2 men wounded: Hulton J 541, Halton J 935 29/10/15 – Pte Gibson A 732, “accidentally shot one of City of London (RR) Yeo. & a Cpl of 2nd Regiment; both died” 30/10/15 – Wounded Rankine W 991 (or 791?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 12 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 12 December , 2018 Thank you very much Michael for doing that. I'm not seeing that in the Ancestry version at all. Can you give me a link to that page? Cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 12 December , 2018 Share Posted 12 December , 2018 4 hours ago, Skipman said: Looked in CWGC, Effects, various places including Geoff's Engine Gallipoli Cemeteries for anything resembling 7/Fld RE, nearest can see is Sapper Albert Willey, 71st Field Coy. It could easily be an error? Mike Hi Mike 71st and 72nd Field Coys RE along with 88th were part of the 13th (Western) Division. Regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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