Bardess Posted 17 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 17 January , 2019 Another fine couple of before and afters. Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 19 January , 2019 Share Posted 19 January , 2019 Page 21 On 08/12/2018 at 15:05, Bardess said: Excellent research, Peter. Many thanks Page 21 Index No Regt/Bn/Corps Sqdn/Bty/Co Regtl No Rank/Name Diseases/ Wounds/Injuries Admission Discharge Entrained Detrained 21479 RE 2/2 Lond F Coy 3130 L/Cpl Stannard, C H GSW thigh R 23/1/17 24/1/17 Merville Etaples 21480 1 Leicesters B 10662 Cpl Spicer, W Bronch pneumonia 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lillers Etaples 21481 TMB * 71 9787 Pte Jackson, A Influenza 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lillers Etaples 21482 6 Beds A 32247 Pte Pedder, H PUO 23/1/17 24/1/17 Merville Etaples 21483 9 London D 7119 Rfn Rumble, C GSW face 23/1/17 24/1/17 Merville Etaples 21484 11 Essex C 33957 Pte Thompson, H S M Gas poisoning [shell] 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21485 11 Essex B 40924 Cpl Lawson, S ICT arms 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21486 11 Leicesters B 23156 Pte Mould, L Appendicitis 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lillers Etaples 21487 1 N Staffs A 25045 Pte Chambers, A Trench foot 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lillers Etaples 21488 13 KRR C 10180 Rfn Phillips, R PUO 23/1/17 24/1/17 Merville Etaples 21489 1 R Fus D 15504 Pte Boyd, A GSW thigh L 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21490 1/4 London C 3363 L/Cpl Neame, D C Trench feet 23/1/17 24/1/17 Merville Etaples 21491 12 London B C/7365 Rfn Eason, A Trench feet 23/1/17 24/1/17 Merville Etaples 21492 13 London A 6506 Pte Styles, H GSW shldr L 23/1/17 24/1/17 Merville Etaples 21493 12 London C 5919 Rfn Dredge, S J GSW arm L 23/1/17 24/1/17 Merville Etaples 21494 RFA 126 Bde 95685 Gnr Chapman, W H Ac bronchitis 23/1/17 24/1/17 Merville Etaples 21495 12 London 5968 Rfn Grossmith, H R W Myalgia 23/1/17 24/1/17 Merville Etaples 21496 6 Beds C 28262 Pte Shaw, F H PUO 23/1/17 24/1/17 St Venant Etaples 21497 16 L N Lancs B 23895 Pte Greenwood, A Myalgia 23/1/17 24/1/17 St Venant Etaples Ward L 21498 6 Beds A 12082 Pte Austin, A Albuminuria 23/1/17 24/1/17 St Venant Etaples 21499 8 Linc D 14775 Sgt Beach, D Myalgia 23/1/17 24/1/17 St Venant Etaples 21500 RE att 1 RND 5463 Spr Cassleden, A L Bron & DAH 23/1/17 24/1/17 St Venant Etaples 21501 11 Warw B 11564 Pte Archer, H Myalgia 23/1/17 24/1/17 St Venant Etaples 21502 1 DCLI B 27412 Pte Snelgrove, W Tonsillitis 23/1/17 24/1/17 St Venant Etaples 21503 6 Beds B 32006 Sgt Lawrance, F J PUO 23/1/17 24/1/17 St Venant Etaples 21504 MGC 110 5854 Sgt Haigh, V PUO 23/1/17 24/1/17 St Venant Etaples 21505 15 Warw B 1644 Cpl Thompson, R Bronchitis 23/1/17 24/1/17 St Venant Etaples 21506 RFC 25 Sq 5937 2/AM Fry, B PUO 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lapugnoy Etaples 21507 7 Leicesters B 36057 Pte Bamford, F VDH 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lapugnoy Etaples 21508 9 KOYLI B 43630 Pte Mills, R Influenza 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lapugnoy Etaples * ex Leicesters? Update Patient 21481 Private 9787 A Jackson, 71 Trench Mortar Battery. You had him as possibly ex-Leicesters and I thought he was probably 9787 Albert Jackson. That mans' service records confirm he was hospitalised at this point with influenza while serving in France. Patient 21484 Private 33957 H S M Thompson, 11th Essex. I thought he was probably an 11th Battalion man Henri Stanhope Thompson. His surviving service record confirms they are one and the same. They don't included medical docs, but his service summary has him back in the UK from the 7th February 1917 and discharged as a result on the 6th December 1917. Before and after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 19 January , 2019 Share Posted 19 January , 2019 Page 22 On 11/12/2018 at 12:18, Bardess said: Index No Regt/Bn/Corps Sqdn/Bty/Co Regtl No Rank/Name Diseases/ Wounds/Injuries Admission Discharge Entrained Detrained 21509 RFA A/94 55332 Dvr Handley, W P Trench fever 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lapugnoy Etaples 21510 RFA D/95 46681 Gnr Morgan, J Abscess axilla R 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lapugnoy Etaples 21511 RFC 25 Sqn 38994 2/AM Lawder, W Mastoiditis 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lapugnoy Etaples 21512 ASC att 186 S Bty 222727 Pte Armstrong, R I Albuminuria 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lapugnoy Etaples 21513 15 DLI B 318 Pte Croft, G W Influenza 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lapugnoy Etaples 21514 6 Leicest C 36034 Pte Stokes, G Bronchitis 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lapugnoy Etaples 21515 RFC 25 Sqn 34476 2/AM Dudley, W Tuberculosis ? 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lapugnoy Etaples 21516 RFA 21 DAC 64296 Cpl Wilcox, G A Urethral fistula 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lapugnoy Etaples 21517 RE 129 Fld 63788 Spr Dutton, W GSW head 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21518 1 Ches A 49089 L/Cpl Riley, R K Septic hd 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21519 2 Y & L A 38086 Pte Williams, N PUO 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21520 RFA X 24 TMB 639 Gnr Holt, H C Pleurisy ? 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21521 RFA D/15 70922 Gnr Johnson, G GSW thigh R 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21522 8 Beds B 33255 Pte Colgan, L C PUO 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21523 2 Y & L D 31144 Pte Keigan, G Incon urine 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21524 8 R W K C 7282 Pte Boniface, B GSW foot L 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples Ward M 21525 6 Beds 31562 Pte Hebington, W Piles 23/1/17 24/1/17 St Venant Etaples 21526 1 Chesters 49367 Pte Edwards, W Boils 23/1/17 24/1/17 St Venant Etaples 21527 15 R War 23448 Pte McCarthy, J PUO 23/1/17 24/1/17 St Venant Etaples 21528 8 Buffs 1444 Pte Walters, W Bomb wd acc 23/1/17 24/1/17 St Venant Etaples 21529 1 DCLI 18560 Pte Rogers, W Tachycardia 23/1/17 24/1/17 St Venant Etaples 21530 15 R War 19227 Pte Smith, T Lumbago 23/1/17 24/1/17 St Venant Etaples 21531 1 DCLI 27771 Pte Gregory, A Hernia 23/1/17 24/1/17 St Venant Etaples 21532 12 Glosters 14983 L/Cpl Hunt, H Abscess neck 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21533 RFA 124 B 152080 Gnr Gibbons, J ICT leg 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21534 RGA 9 HB 58859 Dvr Conley, A NYD renal calculus 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21535 1 E Yorks 33296 Pte Baxter, T NYD pyrexia 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21536 RGA 140 HB 2124 Gnr Cunnington, J Ac conjunctivitis 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21537 RFA 106 B 65081 Gnr Percival, F J Synov knee L 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21538 ASC 608 161572 Pte Newstead, F Ischiorectal abscess 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples Update Patient 21513 Private 318 G W Croft, 15 DLI. His service record shows his service number as 21/318. Before and after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 19 January , 2019 Share Posted 19 January , 2019 (edited) On 13/12/2018 at 12:15, Bardess said: Final page Index No Regt/Bn/Corps Sqdn/Bty/Co Regtl No Rank/Name Diseases/ Wounds/Injuries Admission Discharge Entrained Detrained 21539 2 DLI 26873 Pte Ward, A ICT legs 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21540 RE 254 T C 132439 Spr Dellow, F Inf mid ear 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21541 10 KOYLI 1588 L/Cpl Warhurst, J NYD pyrexia 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21542 2 N & D 47436 Pte Elliott, C Laryngitis 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lillers Etaples 21543 8 Queens A 128 L/Cpl Cox, W NYD pyrexia 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lillers Etaples 21544 12 Glosters 16526 Pte Tugwell, A Disloc thumb 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lillers Etaples 21545 RE 2 Durham Fld 1778 Spr Gray, R Stricture 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lillers Etaples 21546 RGA 180 Siege 102934 Gnr Holt, W A Hernia 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lillers Etaples 21547 9 Norfolks 40168 Pte Chapman, S Osteoma humerus 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lillers Etaples 21548 ASC att 1 A Sup C 30115 Dvr Disney, W Spr ankle 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lillers Etaples 21549 1 Norfolks 40008 Pte Cousins, W H Hernia 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lillers Etaples 21550 1 E Surrey 31173 Pte Bianchi, C H Ischiorectal abscess 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lillers Etaples 21551 MGC 15 60230 Pte Nield, H Haemorrhoids 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lillers Etaples 21552 14 DLI C 14439 Pte Todner, H ICT groin 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lapugnoy Etaples 21553 RFA 94 B 34895 Gnr Nixon, R Diarrhoea 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lapugnoy Etaples 21554 RE ROD 197717 Spr Mehegan, M ICT groin 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lapugnoy Etaples 21555 ASC 55 M2/ 054327 Pte Hopkins, W DAH 23/1/17 24/1/17 Lapugnoy Etaples 21556 7 E Surrey 6066 Pte Bexfield, G F Pyrexia & NYD 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21557 1 Leicester 27017 Pte Burt, G W Trench fever 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21558 1 Leicester 407912 Pte Hudson, E Hammer toe 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21559 8 Queens 2339 L/Cpl Hardy, H J GSW forearm L 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21560 RE 22 Special 156589 Cpl Saunders, H GSW scalp 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21561 1 Buffs 37 Pte Stallwood, C Carbuncle 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21562 2 Y & Lancs 1970 Pte Watts, F L Aneurysmal varix 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21563 14 DLI 1537 Pte Handisides, A W GSW heel R 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21564 8 Queens 7094 Pte Earl, G W Deafness NYD 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21565 1 R W K 12873 L/Cpl Davis, P Abscess Axilla 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21566 7 N F att 10 Yorks 33050 Pte Angrave, E Myalgia 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21567 1 DCLI 2292 Pte Dalton, S Epilepsy 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples 21568 1 E Surrey 31161 Pte Nash, P J ICT leg R 23/1/17 24/1/17 Chocques Etaples Page 23 Updates. Patient 21540 Sapper 132439 F Dellow, 254 T.C., Royal Engineers. His Service Record, MiC and Service Medal Roll shows the service number as 132429. Patient 21555 Private M2/54327 W Hopkins, 55 A.S.C. His MiC and the related entry at the National Archive show the service number as M2/054327. Patient 21558 Private 407912 E. Hudson, 1st Leicesters - one of the unidentified. I thought he was possibly Private 40712 Ernest Hudson. That soldier was discharged on the 10th August 1917 as no longer physically fit (sickness). There are no service records that would tie it in further. Edited 19 January , 2019 by PRC Updated attachment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardess Posted 20 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 20 January , 2019 Superb! All pages have now been worked on and correct details added. A fine team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 21 January , 2019 Share Posted 21 January , 2019 So after the initial run through and then the updates run through that still left 54 names for which no obvious Medal Index Card \ Service Roll or Service Record could be found. It was time to put on the deerstalker and cape Page 3 Patient 20958 Private 7579 Sturridge, 92 Siege Battery, Royal Garrison Artillery. I checked the adjacent service numbers to see if there was any renumbering or transfer pattern that might hint at who this man was. 7576 Bombardier Walter J. Abbitt was renumbered 282576 7577 & 7578 – no matches SR-7580 Gunner Adam Barclay was renumbered 282580 Therefore I checked the MiC for 282579 and found it relates to a Gunner George A Standige, who would go on to serve with the Labour Corps as 532004. There are surviving pension records for that soldier which show his initial service number as SR/7579 when he had previously served – 1902-1908. Page 4. Patient 20987 Private 10801 E. Cowgill, 12th Royal Fusiliers. Private G57423 Edward Cowgill died in Sheffield War Hospital on the 27th August 1917 as a result of wounds. The Army Register of Soldiers Effects records him as 57423 / 10801. The detail available on the Royal Fusilier Service Medal Roll for the Victory Medal (VM) and British War Medal, (which only shows him as G57423) is that he served overseas with:- 12th Battalion………….15th August 1916 to 16th February 1917. 2nd Battalion……………14th June 1917 to 1st July 1917. 1st Battalion……………2nd July 1917 to 20th August 1917 I suspect the period from mid-February 1917 to mid-June 1917 was spent being treated for the condition that saw him aboard 31 Ambulance Train. Patient 20996 Private 18651 J. Henry. 17 MGC. A check of the adjacent service numbers reveals that he was part of a batch of Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers who were transferred to the MGC. With their original unit they had five digit service numbers running between 155** and 157**, although the order doesn’t run in parallel – 18650 was 15587 Joseph Harper, 18652 was 15606 William John Holmes and 18653 was 15574 William Hamilton. A check of the MiCs in the National Archive catalogue brought up a potential match. There is a card for a 15599 John Henry which only shows him as serving with the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers. However that man is recorded as having died on the 1st July 1916. So do we have a mystery, a spy or someone using a fake id to gain access to medical services? Patient 21002 Private 40961 G. Laker, 11th Essex – condition Laryngitis. A check of the adjacent service numbers with the Essex Regiment showed a theme of men being transferred to the Northamptonshire Regiment. A flash check showed five digit service numbers falling between 249** and 252**. Looking at MiC’s for a G. Laker who served with the Northamptonshire Regiment led to a MiC for a Private 25100 George Laker. There is no mention of a previous unit, but he did go on to serve with the Labour Corps, (S/N 255325). As Labour Corps Service Medal Rolls tend to be low on details, I didn’t take that as confirmation either way. Fortunately the service records for this man have survived – in particularly the ‘Casualty Form – Active Service’. Originally with the Northants for training, he was transferred to the 11th Bn. Essex Regiment on arrival at 17 I.B.D. in France on the 23rd October 1916, joining up with this Bn on the 26th in the field. On the 7th January 1917 he was admitted at 1 “C.R.S.” from 18 Field Ambulance suffering from Laryngitis. On the 15th January 1917 he was admitted to 31 Ambulance Train from 1 C.C.S. On the 16th January 1917 he was admitted to 7 Canadian General Hospital, Etaples. On the 30th January 1917 he was admitted to 6 Con Dep, Etaples On the 6th February 1917 he was admitted to 5 Con Dep, (location illegible) On the 23rd February 1917 he was admitted to 16 General Hospital, Le Treport, with Mumps. On the 19th March he was transferred to England for his ‘debility’ In June he was assigned to 435th Agricultural Company and never returned to a Theatre of War. The service number of 28100 does crop up in the records but with no clear indication of when it was in use. Page 11 Patient 21199 Corporal T2/19489 J T Lees. ASC attached Royal Engineers, 1st Field Survey. The neighbouring service numbers didn’t provide any clues so I used the National Archive catalogue search facility to look for a “J.Lees” who had a MiC and who had served in the Army Service Corps, and then used a Mk1 eyeball check for any who had a middle initial “T”. One of the two potential matches stood out – Corporal M2/17689 John T. Lees ASC who became Corporal 357637 Royal Engineers. The associated service medal roll has the M2 prefix added afterwards. Given some of the common mis-readings to get from 17689 to 19489 isn’t that difficult. The other possibility was a James Taylor Lees who had service number T2/015260. Right prefix but difficult to see how the two numbers could get confused. Unfortunately service records have not survived for either man. Patient 21201 Lance Corporal 7612 L H Gunner, 12th Londons As it’s been possible to identify examples that were renumbered shortly after the events reviewed here, I took another look at this man. A run through of the adjacent S/N’s brought up the following. 7611 Richard Wiggins, 12th Londons, became 473764, 12th Londons. 7613 James Hirons, 12th Londons, became 473766 12th Londons Logically this man should be 473765 but there is no MiC held for that number. Going back one in the renumbering series gives 473763, 12th Londons was previously 7608 Herbert Brunner, 12th Londons. While there are no surviving Service Records, and the detailed London Regiment Service Medal Roll shows him in France until the 20th September 1917, I think Herbert Brunner would have to be considered as a candidate. Page 12. Patient 21214 Private 35168 G R White, 2nd Durham Light Infantry I could not find this service number or nearby numbers in use by the DLI. While searching for adjacent numbers what I did come across was a group of men transferred to the Yorkshire Light Infantry who did have such numbers. 36166 YLI John S Richardson has been 3590 DLI 35167 YLI Frederick Ryan had been 3517 DLI 35169 YLI James Robinson had been 2266 DLI 35172 YLI James Collins had been 8180 DLI However 35168 YLI turned out to be William Robson ex DLI 8062. Back to the drawing board. Patient 21236 Private 32234 J Kentish 1/6th Bedfordshires. I could not find any neighbouring service numbers that helped and the only match for the surname Kentish serving with the Bedfordshire Regiment was 7323 John T Kentish who became Royal Defence Corps 79084. The service medal roll for the Royal Defence Corps shows he served abroad with the 6th Battalion Bedfords from the 2nd December 1916 to the 4th May 1917. I could not track down any surviving service records. Would seem a co-incidence that there were two men called J Kentish who were serving with the 6th Battalion at the same time and for one the paper trail consists solely of one admin report from an Ambulance Train. However there are other men with a Myalgia diagnosis who are sent back to the UK almost straight away, so for now he remains just a possible. Page 17 Patient 21388 Private 32156 H. Rainbow, 6th Bedfords I tried looking at service numbers on either side to see if they had been renumbered, but they hadn’t. However they were almost in alphabetical order as a result of an earlier numbering so I tried the VM & BWM Service Medal Roll. There, where it should be, was Private 32156 Harry Rainbow, formerly 4429, both Bedfordshire Regiment. Abutting either side of the 32156 S/N are letter “H” in ink and in the Remarks there is an illegible comment about “Issue”. I suspect the issue of the Medal was on hold for some reason. The Medal Index Card has been prepared with the Service Number shown as 4439, and that is how it is catalogued at the National Archive. But looking at the card it looks like a separate hand has written at the top “ *4429”, with the asterisk also being shown against the VM & BWM issued. There is no obvious surviving service records. Page 18 Patient 21398 Rifleman 4637 G. Stiles, 9th London. I thought he was possibly 391630 9th Londons George E Stiles who had been renumbered. A search of nearby service numbers to 391630 shows:- 391626 John Watkins, 9th Londons, was previously 4620, 9th Londons 391627 Frederick C Jones, 9th Londons, was previously 4621, 9th Londons. 391632 Frederick J. Haines, 9th Londons, was previously 4634 9th Londons 391633 James Pringle, 9th London, was previously 4635 9th Londons. So while Georges’ new service number is slightly out of sequence, it would seem a very strong likelihood that his new service number was 391630. As he would go on to serve in the Labour Corps it would also explain why his earlier service number wasn’t captured on MiC’s and Service Medal Rolls. Patient 21407 Rifleman 10060 J Horton, 5th Londons. This is another one where I looked at neighbouring service numbers. 10056 William Ager, 5th Londons, became 303967, 5th Londons. 10057 Ernest H Belton, 5th Londons, became 303968, 5th Londons. 10061 Albert E.G Wright, 5th Londons became 303972, 5th London Which would indicate that man we should be looking for is 303971. That 5th London man is a Joseph G Horton, who would also serve with the Rifle Brigade as 63952. His medals were issued by the Rifle Brigade. Patient 21412 Private 6275 H H Bullivant, 1/14 Londons. I thought this was likely be 512456 Hubert H. Bullivant who had probably been renumbered. A check of the surrounding service numbers for 512456 shows:- 512455 Alexander R Arnott, 14th Londons, was previously 6274, 14th Londons. 512458 Montague G Ewing, 14th Londons. 512460 Murray Hamilton, 14th Londons, was previously 6280, 14th Londons. 512461 Hearse, 14th Londons, was previously 6281, 14th Londons. That seems to support the renumbering theory. Patient 21414 Private 1644 P. Mahoney. I thought this was likely to be 200236 who I suspected had been renumbered. A check of the surrounding service numbers for 200236 shows:- 200234 Walter B Willis, 1st Londons, was previously 1639 1st Londons 200235 Edgar William Austin, 1st Londons, was previously 1643 1st Londons. 200238 James C Hillman, 4th Londons, was previously 1630 1st Londons 200240 William Jones, 1st Londons, was previously 1654 1st Londons. Again that seems to support the renumbering theory. So that for now is as far as I go with identifying the unidentifiable Cheers Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardess Posted 21 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 21 January , 2019 There is no doubting of your strengths in ferreting out the correct details for these individuals and I thank you so much for your time and effort in doing so. Your support is really appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 23 January , 2019 Share Posted 23 January , 2019 (edited) On 21/01/2019 at 02:01, Bardess said: There is no doubting of your strengths in ferreting out the correct details for these individuals I really should get out more :-) Sadly I can't leave a good data source like this without a bit of interpretation and analysis. I'm starting with the before and after information. I’m sure most of this is already available, notably locations for the CCS’s https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/locations-of-british-casualty-clearing-stations/ and hospitals http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/british-base-hospitals-in-france/ but there is no harm in producing some supporting evidence as confirmation. It does however indicate that even the information taken from primary sources is not to be completely trusted. First of all there is for those men where it has been identified, the medical facility they were at before they entrained. 1 CCS 10 casualties, (2 combat, 8 non-combat). They came from units of the 6th, 20th and 24th Divisions. LLT has it at Chocques at this time. 1 entrained Lapugnoy, (15/01/17), rest from Chocques. (18 CCS was at Lapugnoy at this time so may be in an error in that soldiers records). 1 / 2 London CCS 13 casualties, (all non-combat). They came from units of the 5th, 37th, 49th and 56th Divisions. LLT has it at Merville at this time. All entrained Merville. 2 / 1 West Riding CCS 9 casualties, (1 combat, 7 non combat). They came from units of the 5th and 6th Divisions, plus Corps level. LLT has it at Lillers at this time. 6 entrained Lillers, 1 at Bethune. 3 / 1 West Riding CCS 1 casualty, (non-combat). Came from the 6th Division. No match on LLT. Entrained at Lillers – should this have been 2/1 WRCCS? 7 CCS 9 casualties, (3 combat, 6 non-combat). Came from 5th, 37th, 56th and 61st Divisions. LLT has it at Merville at this time. All entrained Merville 12 CCS 1 casualty, (non-combat). Came from 37th Division. LLT has it at Hazebrouck at this time. Entrained Merville – should this be 1 / 2 London CCS?? 23 CCS 5 casualties, (all non-combat), Came from 21st and 24th Divisions, plus 1 Corps level unit. LLT has it at Lozinghem at this time. All entrained Lapugnoy. 32 CCS 8 casualties, (all non-combat) Came from 5th, 20th and 37th Divisions. LLT has it at St. Venant until February 1917. All entrained St. Venant. 33 CCS 9 casualties, (1 combat, 8 non-combat). Came from 5th, 6th and 21st Divisions. LLT has it at Bethune. Three entrained Bethune on the 19th January 1917. All the others, 15th and 23rd, entrained Chocques. Where they went to:- 1 Canadian General Hospital, Etaples 8 casualties, (2 combat, 6 non combat) Not listed on the LLT site. All detrained Etaples 7 Canadian General Hospital, Etaples 18 casualties, (4 combat, 14 non-combat). Three of the service records don’t show location. One is for 7 General Hospital, Etaples, but the British unit of that name was at Boulogne. LLT shows at Etaples. All detrained Etaples. 8th Red Cross Hospital 1 casualty, (non-combat) Location of hospital not shown on his service record. LLT shows as Paris-Plage. Detrained Etaples 11th General Hospital. 3 casualties, (all non-combat), two record hospital at Dannes, one at Camiers. The two places are adjoining. LLT shows at Camiers. All detrained Camiers. 18th General Hospital. 121 casualties, (19 combat, 102 non-combat), three record hospital at Dannes, five at Camiers, the rest don’t specify. The two places are adjoining. LLT shows at Camiers. Two detrained Etaples on the 15th. All the rest detrained Camiers. 22nd General Hospital. 12 casualties, (all non-combat), five record hospital at Dannes, four at Camiers, three don’t specify. The two places are adjoining. LLT shows at Camiers. All detrained Camiers. 24th General Hospital. 4 casualties, (all non-combat). 2 detrained at Etaples on the 16th and the hospital is shown at Etaples. 2 detrained at Camiers on the 20th. One soldiers records shows the hospital at Camiers, the other at Etaples. LLT shows at Etaples. 26th General Hospital, Etaples. 7 casualties, (2 combat, 5 non-combat). LLT shows Etaples. All detrained Etaples. 39th General Hospital 1 casualty, (non-combat). LLT shows known to have been at Le Havre June 1916 but with a section operating at Marseilles. Detrained Etaples – Gonorrhoea infection. 51st General Hospital, Etaples. 4 casualties, (all non-combat, STD’s). LLT shows Etaples – Specialist Venereal Disease Hospital. All detrained Etaples. 57th General Hospital 1 casualty, (non-combat). LLT has it at Marseilles but only from July 1917 onwards. Detrained Etaples – Gonorrhoea infection. St Johns Ambulance Brigade, Etaples 12 casualties, (all non-combat). Two of the related service records don’t show a location for the hospital. LLT has it at Etaples. All detrained Etaples. Cheers, Peter Edited 23 January , 2019 by PRC Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PRC Posted 24 January , 2019 Share Posted 24 January , 2019 Next part of the analysis – the military hierarchy. There are 686 individuals identified as being patients aboard 31 Ambulance train between the 15th January 1917 and the 24th January 1917 involving three trips. For all but 42 of the 686 names, (6%), it’s proved possible to identify the division of which they were part of at this time. - This includes the “n\a” (not applicable) where the unit concerned was a Corps, (RGA) or Army, (RFC Squadron) level one. - That 42 is made up of - 16 RFA where there is either no brigade or it’s not clear where the unit is Battery or Brigade; 16 ASC where I can’t identify a Company or where the Company was attached; 4 Royal Engineers serving with the “ROD”; and 6 came from Infantry Units where either the Battalion is not stated or did not serve in France & Flanders. In those last cases it has not proved possible to identify the relevant battalion from the Service Medal Rolls. The Divisions as far as I can tell were on the south face of the Ypres salient and along the line southwards towards Lens and Vimy at this time, (based on where they entrained from & cross referenced to a couple of Battalion War Diaries). Lots more work could be done on that. It would appear 586 of the names were in units that were in the ORBAT for the opening day of the Battle of Arras, (and anecdotally several of the names listed would die in that campaign). That accounts for 85% of the names, and would provisionally put them in either First Army or Third Army. The Army information needs to be taken with caution – I could not find online an ORBAT for the British Army in France for January 1917 and at least two of the Divisions, (5th & 63rd), was in a different Army at the end of the Somme campaign in November 1916. Similarly the British Army ORBAT shows the 5th Division in 13th Corps, the First Army Reserve, while the Canadian Corps ORBAT for the attack on Vimy Ridge shows 5th Division attached from 1st Corps. The Battalion War Diary for the 1st Norfolks, part of 5th Division mentions them being in Fourth Army at the end of October 1916 in an operational order. There is no reference in the diary to this changing between then and the opening of the Battle of Arras. I mentioned earlier when looking at the “before” and “after” steps in these mens medical treatment that the admissions and discharges book for the 18th General Hospital for the same period is also on FMP and has details of a number of Canadians who also arrived aboard 31 Ambulance Train during this period. A quick and dirty check shows most the units the men were coming from would be part of the Candian Corps that would storm Vimy Ridge at the opening of the Battle of Arras. Lots more work could be done on this but it does seem to paint a consistent story. Cheers, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 24 January , 2019 Share Posted 24 January , 2019 (edited) Finally the brief “medical” analysis Of the 686 men who travelled aboard 31 Ambulance Train, 73 were combat injuries, (11%) and 613 were non-combat, (89%) That’s based almost solely on the Diseases\ Wounds \ Injuries entry in the original source data. One of those I originally classified as a combat injuries was shown as “Old GSW knee”. However the service records for that individual survived and show that the wound was as a result of an accidental rifle discharge by a fellow soldier and would seem to have more in common with the accidental woundings that have been identified for other soldiers. Of course it’s arbitrary – I can recall at least one man I’ve researched previously who sprained his ankle while jumping down into a German Trench during the assault. I wonder how his injury would have been shown in this log? Meanwhile it has to be assumed that all the diagnosis of GSW \ SW \ Shrapnel Wound \ Gas unless stated otherwise were non-accidental \ non-friendly fire and not the opposite. For the non-combat injuries I’ve used my laymans knowledge, supplemented by Google, to try and group them together into hopefully self evident categories to make analysis more insightful and to standardise some of the wording in the original document where different abbreviated forms \ spellings have been used for the same thing. There are some big assumptions – a sprain always results from an accident, for example. The fuller analysis is in the document I’ll attach next, but for now I’ll concentrate on four areas. Category: Sexually Transmitted Disease, (STD). Covers original diagnoses of:- ? Gonorrhea \ Dysuria [gonorrhoea] \ Gonorrhea \ Syphilis \ V sore \ VD Gonorrhea \ Venereal disease \ Venereal NYD \ Venereal sore \ Venereal warts. Chris Baker in his piece on the evacuation chain for wounded and sick soldiers on the LLT quotes that “The largest percentage of sick men were venereal disease cases at 18.1 per 1000 casualties.”. https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/a-soldiers-life-1914-1918/the-evacuation-chain-for-wounded-and-sick-soldiers/ That would equate to 1.81%. In fact for our sample we have 31 cases, making it 4.52% of all casualties and 5.06% of all non combat casualties. Category: Trench Foot Covers original diagnoses of:- Double Trench feet \ Trench feet \ Trench foot. The same article goes on to state, “trench foot was next with 12.7”. That would equate to 1.27%. This sample of the British Army produces 24 cases, making it 3.50% of all casualties and 3.92% of non-combat casualties. Category: PUO & Trench Fever Covers original diagnoses of:- NYD & pyrexia \ NYD fever \ NYD Pyrexia \ PUO \ PUO and ICT heel \ PUO impetigo \ Pyrexia \ Pyrexia & NYD \ Pyrexia NYD \ Trench fever Not mentioned in that article and given the catch all ‘not a clue’ nature of the diagnosis that’s probably understandable. However the original diagnoses listed covers an amazing 116 individuals – that’s 16.91% of all casualties and 18.92% of non-combat casualties. Category: VDH & DAH Covers original diagnoses of:- DAH \ Tachycardia \ VDH I’d never even heard of VDH &DAH until I came across an article on the LLT a couple of years back. VDH and DAH are two acronyms that are often seen in men’s army service records. They both relate to heart trouble. VDH means valvular disease of the heart. It is the more serious of the two and implies some organic disease or heart malfunction; DAH means disorderly action of the heart, sometimes called “effort syndrome” or “soldier’s heart”. Often the result of stress or fatigue, it does not imply there was any organic disease. From “Medical Diseases of the War” by Sir Arthur F. Hurst (London: Edward Arnold, 1918): “The importance of the effort syndrome can be gathered from the fact that 2,503 out of 33,919, or 7.4 per cent, of the soldiers and sailors invalided from the services from the beginning of the war up to May 31st 1916, were discharged on account of ‘heart disease,’ and by May 1918 the number had risen to 36,569. The problem of invaliding on account of ‘soldier’s heart’ became such a serious one that the War Office and Medical Research Council arranged for the segregation of heart cases at the Hampstead Hospital under Thomas Lewis. Later the work was transferred to Colchester, and finally centres were established for heart cases in each home command. At the same time it became recognised in France that many cases were being sent to England with an erroneous diagnosis of valvular disease of the heart and still more with trivial cardiac symptoms. In 1916 all cases sent to one base diagnosed as VDH and DAH were collected in a single centre under Colonel W. E. Hume, and in 1917 similar centres were started at four other bases. At these centres DAH was so successful that 50 per cent of cases were detained for duty in France, but far too many escaped diagnosis and reached England without having passed through any heart centre.” Source: https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/what-were-vdh-and-dah/ Our sample has 15 men with one of those original diagnoses. (2.19% all / 2.45% non-combat). Lastly, what constituted a “Blighty”, or at least repatriation for treatment. Of the 686 men in the original document, it has been possible to glean something for 208 of them as to what happened after they were initially assessed \ treated at the hospital they were moved to. Note that’s a comparatively small proportion (30%) of the sample and so any conclusion could change dramatically if a fuller set of data was available. I have also had to use a proxy in some cases for whether someone was treated in the UK. Long term sick would be moved onto the establishment of the regimental depot for pay, admin and discipline while they received their treatment. Where a individuals service records lacks medical details but shows he served on the Home Front from a date less than a month after he was aboard 31 Ambulance Train and he was posted to the Depot, then it’s assumed he was hospitalised. Of the 208, 131 would go on to receive treatment in the UK, (63%) and 77 would be treated in France, (37%). Of the 131 treated in the UK, 23 were combat casualties, (18%) and 108 were non-combat, (82%) Of the 77 treated in France, 8 were combat casualties, (10%) and 69 were non-combat, (90%). So if you had a combat injuries, based on this small sample of 31 casualties, you only had a 74% chance that it would see you treated in the UK, whereas for non-combatants the equivalent figure was 61%, (177 cases). I’ll tidy up the spreadsheet and attach it shortly, Cheers, Peter Edited 24 January , 2019 by PRC Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 31 January , 2019 Share Posted 31 January , 2019 (edited) Tidying up allowed me to find further treatment details on nearly 60 individuals! The forum only accepts spreadsheet attachments in XML which has required a major re-work and several false starts. Hopefully what is there now is self-explanatory. Please PM me if anyone wants the spreadsheet in a more useful format. Cheers, Peter Edit - after all that it has still stripped the statistical analysis out and that was only posted in as a picture - d'oh! 31 Ambulance Train January 1917 GWF.xml Edited 31 January , 2019 by PRC Grumble, grumble :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 31 January , 2019 Share Posted 31 January , 2019 Good thread, although none of these named casualties are in the war diary. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 31 January , 2019 Share Posted 31 January , 2019 Andy, Any idea what those abbreviations stand - OLW \ ORSS et al. I can probably guess but would be good to know if they are set out anywhere. Cheers, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st helena Posted 10 November , 2019 Share Posted 10 November , 2019 Hi, My cousin Pte Thomas Stuart (12170) of the Notts & Derby Regiment died on the 20th Dec 1917, and I just found him on "31 Ambulance Train" for the date 10th Dec 1917, and he is number "70" on the page! would it be possible have it done out like the pages above please? with the details on the top of the page Please? Thank You Very much. From St Helena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardess Posted 10 November , 2019 Author Share Posted 10 November , 2019 I've downloaded up to page 75 of 83 as, apparently I've exceeded my daily limit! Yikes I may get the rest tomorrow but it will take a while to type up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st helena Posted 10 November , 2019 Share Posted 10 November , 2019 Thank you Very much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardess Posted 12 November , 2019 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2019 Index No Regt/Bn/Corps Sqdn/Bty/Co Regtl No Rank/Name Diseases/ Wounds/Injuries Admission Discharge Entrained Detrained Ward N Trip No 164 44658 HLI C 617 Pte McIlheney, T * GSW Knee Foot R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44659 2/5 W Ridings D 241003 Pte Crossland, R GSW Arm R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44660 RFA D/153 114822 Sgt Bruce, C J GSW Thigh R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44661 17 Middx C 777 Pte Hollett, A H GSW Hand Knee L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44662 8 London B 374271 Rfn Chapman, J H BW Arm L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44663 1/13 London D 323957 Pte Ross, E J SW Head 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44664 M G Corps 6 86416 Pte Cawkwell, J GSW Shdr L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44665 23 R Fus B 229442 Pte Hillis, J GSW Scalp 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44666 18 London D 593589 Rfn Sellons, T SW Shdr L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44667 17 Middx C 87046 Pte Barham, H GSW Leg L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44668 2 HLI A 8622 Pte Stewart, N BW Wrist L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44669 2 Corps att Cyclists Bn 4 Coy Traffic Control 4995 Pte Woodward, H GSW Shdr 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44670 2 HLI C 13118 Pte Ward, J GSW Thigh R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44671 2/5 N Staffs D 241758 L/Cpl Smith, J J BW Face Neck 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44672 2 HLI D 21962 Pte Weatherhead, J GSW Leg L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44673 RE 559 Hants Army Trps 519473 Spr Waldron, G A E SW Face 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44674 RE 559 Hants Army Trps 519487 Spr Hunter, E SW Head 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44675 10 DCLI B 36749 Pte Kimble, J GSW Knee R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44676 RE 404 Field 402717 Spr Murphy, G Contus Shell [W] 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44677 RGA 112 Siege 79320 Gnr Crane, H GSW Arm R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44678 7 London C 353307 Pte Pearce, H J BW Buttock R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44679 4 RWF A 202300 Pte Clark, J W BW Buttock R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44680 22 R Fus B 275292 Pte Green, R GSW Hand L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44681 RE 710 Lab Coy 295693 Pnr McLaughlin, J Shell contus Frac Rib 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44682 17 Middx B 18622 Pte Mead, H J SW Hip Shdr R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44683 7 London D 351724 Pte Farthing, E A Spd Ankle L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44684 2/7 W Yorks C 265692 L/Cpl Hyde, W GSW Scalp 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44685 2 S Staffs B 7608 Pte Wood, F GSW Scalp 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44686 23 R Fus B 229455 Pte Kay, W GSW Neck 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44687 2 S Staffs B 13052 Pte Dyas, F GSW Hand L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44688 M G Corps 6 83763 Pte Davies, G S GSW Head 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44689 22 R Fus B 1883 Pte McGlones, J GSW Ear L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44690 M G Corps 6 64819 Pte Parker, J GSW Head 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples * Poss McElaney - MIC for both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st helena Posted 12 November , 2019 Share Posted 12 November , 2019 Hi thank you very much! I've got this one not a great copy! could you do this one like the ones you do for me Please? Pte Thomas Stuart went through a hard time! Thank You Very Much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardess Posted 12 November , 2019 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2019 I'm doing them in order so I will get to that page shortly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st helena Posted 12 November , 2019 Share Posted 12 November , 2019 Hi Bardess, Many Thank You's for your kind help! From St Helena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardess Posted 13 November , 2019 Author Share Posted 13 November , 2019 Index No Regt/Bn/Corps Sqdn/Bty/Co Regtl No Rank/Name Diseases/Wounds/ Injuries Admission Discharge Entrained Detrained Ward O 44691 RGA 154 HB 44398 Bdr Gorell, F S Gas Shell [mus] 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44692 RGA 154 HB 62691 Gnr Loy, H Gas Shell [mus] 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44693 4 Seaforths 3 200623 Pte Campbell, W GSW Shdr 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44694 2/8 W Yorks A 307007 Rfn Snowden, W J GSW Leg R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44695 1/5 Cheshires A 241354 Pte Massey, E Gassed Shell 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44696 1/5 Cheshires A 240261 Cpl Royle, J Gassed Shell 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44697 Lab Coy 87 51639 Pte Anthistle, G GSW Hand L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44698 9 RIF B 41152 Pte Armstrong, W J GSW Arm L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44699 RFA B/173 715651 Dvr Scott, T GSW Neck 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44700 RFA HTMB V 36 54161 Gnr Wall, M GSW Foot L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44701 22 London C 684077 Pte Cook, H Gas Shell 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44702 22 London C 680560 Pte Johnson, A Gas Shell 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44703 13 Essex B 13098 Pte Ward, H PUO 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44704 1/5 Gordons B 242483 Pte Duncan, A F BW Legs 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44705 2 HLI B 32854 Pte McKechnie, R GSW Wrist L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44706 2 HLI C 36704 Pte McClounan, J GSW Elbow R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44707 1 London D 203377 Pte Burgess, F W Shell contus Eyes Nose Lips 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44708 21 London A 654456 Rfn Taylor, F A GSW Ear Hand R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44709 14 London D 514178 Pte Fisher, C H GSW Knee R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44710 2 HLI B 353028 Pte Stewart, D GSW Cheek R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44711 2 HLI B 930 Pte Taylor, J GSW Arm and Hand R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44712 22 D of W A 306762 Pte Standish, C A GSW Leg L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44713 22 RF B 52014 L/Cpl Skinmore, A GSW Buttocks L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44714 2 S Staffs D 13280 Pte Davis, F BW Finger 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44715 2/7 Sherwoods C 203600 L/Cpl Golding, G A SW Thigh L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44716 2/7 Sherwoods C 267557 Pte Murrell, G SW Thigh R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44717 23 RF A 46368 Pte Davis, E GSW Shdr R Arm L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44718 21 London B 650886 L/Cpl Hutchings, G F SW Leg L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44719 1/4 London A 295119 Pte Dowsett, H J GSW Arm L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44720 1/5 Gordons B 260195 Pte Thomson, A BW Head Hand L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44721 7 London D 353650 Pte Stark, C H SW Ear L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44722 22 RF D 1715 Pte Morris, H Contusions Buttock [W] 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44723 2/6 W Yorks A 202528 Sgt Piper, A PUO Trench Fever 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardess Posted 15 November , 2019 Author Share Posted 15 November , 2019 Index No Regt/Bn/Corps Sqdn/Bty/Co Regtl No Rank/Name Diseases/Wounds/ Injuries Admission Discharge Entrained Detrained Ward O 44724 RFA 43/24 Bde 146594 Gnr Greenwood, H A SW Back 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44725 1/20 London D 631610 Pte Deaves, A SW Leg R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44726 1/20 London B 631655 Pte Hardy, F J SW Arm L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44727 1/20 London B 630593 Pte White, C P SW Face 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44728 2/4 Lincolns B 202690 Pte Priddy, G H SW Nose 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44729 1/20 London B 633317 Pte Rayner, F A SW Head and Neck 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44730 2/6 W Yorks A 241099 Sgt Smith, J E NYD Pleurisy 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44731 1/7 London D 353520 Pte Hillman, A SW Head 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44732 1/5 Gordons B 240977 L/Cpl Whyte, J SW Thigh and Leg L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44733 1/8 London B 371323 Sgt Wilson, T SW Ear L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44734 1/8 London D 371800 Rfn Dell, A C SW Cheek R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44735 M G Coy 213 68002 Pte Cryan, J GSW Arm R Leg L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44736 9 R I Fus A 41382 Pte Lowther, M GSW Face 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44737 24 R Fus D 50983 Pte Armitage, T A ICT Heel L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44738 17 Middx D 1149 L/Cpl Peters, R S GSW Hand L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44739 1/5 Gordons D 1254 L/Cpl Carruthers, A Lac Wd Hand L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44740 23 R Fus A 229489 Sgt Green, J H BW Hand L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44741 17 Middx A 5386 Pte Griggs, B GSW Nose 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44742 2 HLI C 8293 L/Cpl Mitchell, A GSW Hand L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44743 1 Kings D 52684 Cpl Nicholls, F GSW Hand L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44744 22 R Fus B 35874 L/Cpl Asbury, D GSW Forehead 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44745 1/5 Gordons A 291825 Pte Hillman, F J SW Face 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44746 22 R Fus D 58858 Pte Eales, J H GSW Leg L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44747 15 R Irish R C 15/12120 Rfn Quate, W Trench Fever 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44748 15 R Irish R C 13353 Rfn Neill, J ICT Feet 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44749 10 R Irish R A 42767 Rfn Wyles, A G ICT Hand 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44750 10 R Irish R A 42007 Rfn Gosden, F Myalgia 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44751 1/12 London B 472629 Rfn Fulbrook, A SW Chest 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44752 1/12 London B 472610 Rfn Hood, A T SW Shdr R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44753 17 Middx A 43639 Pte Wood, L SW Hand R 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44754 17 Middx A 26507 Pte Dyer, E GSW Hand L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44755 10 DCLI A 31668 Pte Curtis, B ICT Legs 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples 44756 1/22 London D 680641 Pte McDonald, E Contus of Foot [W] L 3/12/17 4/12/17 Grevillers Etaples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 15 November , 2019 Share Posted 15 November , 2019 (edited) On 12/11/2019 at 08:20, Bardess said: 593589 Rfn Sellons, T 593589 Thomas W Sellens, w as prev 6486 18th Londons then trf'd to Labour Corps to become 639746 (MIC under theses last two numbers) On 13/11/2019 at 12:52, Bardess said: 52014 L/Cpl Skinmore, A 52014 A Skidmore, LCpl, RF per Daily Cas List 1918- but haven't yet found MIC ! Edit- I think it is Alexander C SKINMORE who was also 22nd London Regt. The Territorial renumbering 1917 is what gives rise to missing numbers on MIC. He can be found under 25121 R Sussex, 20864 RWKent, 686182 22nd LondR, 238391 Middlesex Regt 2 hours ago, Bardess said: 146594 Gnr Greenwood, H A MIC is under 146597 Harold A Greenwood 2 hours ago, Bardess said: 631655 Pte Hardy, F J MIC under Fred J Hardy, 1/20th London 4016, then RWK 210666. Again the London's TF renumbering causing probs. 2 hours ago, Bardess said: 630593 Pte White, C P MIC under Charles P White, 1/20th London 2140, then RWK 210694 (comment as Hardy above) 2 hours ago, Bardess said: 371323 Sgt Wilson, T MIC under 371823 Thomas Wilson (prev 4153) 2 hours ago, Bardess said: 52684 Cpl Nicholls, F This is Frank Nichols whose MIC is under 4858 Manchester Regt and P/16167 Military Foot Police. His Service record confirms his transition Manchesters to KLR to MFP with the relevant nos. Charlie Edited 15 November , 2019 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardess Posted 15 November , 2019 Author Share Posted 15 November , 2019 Loads of brilliant corrections there, Charlie. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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