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40th Bn. AIF - Aug.1918 - Identified?

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Ken Lees

Over the Remembrance weekend I visited the site of an Australian VC action at Proyart, I had done a fair amount of research into the action and the advance of the battalion in the days leading up to the action, and today have started to do a little more. This has lead to two discoveries. Firstly, I believe I know the identity of an Australian soldier of the 40th Bn. buried in Heath Cemetery, Harbonnieres.

 

During the enquiries I made into this soldier, I had narrowed down the possible identity of the man in this grave to two men, then discovered one of the two was noted in his service papers as having been buried in a communal cemetery extension some distance away from Heath Cemetery.

 

So, I think I have a case for putting forward the two names to the CWGC so that the one in Heath Cemetery can have his headstone changed for one with his name on, and the other for a "known to be buried in this cemetery" headstone.

 

Can anyone tell me how I go about putting the cases together for presentation to the CWGC?

 

Thanks,

Ken

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laughton

Ken:

 

You can see the reports that I have submitted to the CWGC, which is based on a process that evolved through interaction with the David Avery team at the CWGC. You are also welcome to use the master report that we have defined.

 

F7 C10 Master Reports

 

The reports that I have done are in two different groups, as the process in Canada is different than in the UK and so it may also differ in the other commonwealth countries. If outside Canada, I just use the UK process and let the CWGC sort out the process.

 

http://laughton.ca/publications/unknown-project/

 

I am happy to assist on any aspect, just ask.

 

Just to check - it it Private Hart that you are investigating? See here:

https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/266046-correction-report-7th-bn-aif-on-menin-gate-memorial-instead-of-villers-bretonneux-memorial/

 

Richard

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andrew pugh

Hi Richard

Four years ago I found myself in a similar situation as yourself regarding the possible identification of a soldier of the H L I. I put all my evidence together and sent it to Mr David Avery of the enquiries section at the Commonwealth War Graves Commission.They would then look at that evidence and check their own records. If in their view they deem it to be a strong case they will the pass it on to the National Army Museum who will then check their records, Once again if they think it has strong evidence they then pass it on to the M.O.D (JCCC) department at Imjin Barracks near Gloucester who will read through "all" the evidence and make an adjudication on the overall evidence of the case. They will the contact you to say whether you have been successful or not.The process takes a bit of time to conclude, but it also gives you more time in case you come across any additional evidence to support your case.They say patience is a virtue.I was successful with my case and managed to identify an unknown of the 2nd H L I. Corporal Thomas Houston MM and bar killed 24/03/1918. I have 5 cases on the go at the momentso i am getting very familiar with the process. The C W G C will issue you a case number in the beginning of the process. Good Luck to you i hope you  are successful. Merry Christmas.

Regards Andy    

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Andrew P

In November 2017 I submitted a case to OAWG/CWGC regarding the unknown 40th Bn AIF grave in Heath Cemetery.

Unfortunately they have not as yet responded 

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Ken Lees
11 hours ago, Andrew P said:

In November 2017 I submitted a case to OAWG/CWGC regarding the unknown 40th Bn AIF grave in Heath Cemetery.

Unfortunately they have not as yet responded 

Does it normally take that long, Andrew? 

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dickaren
On ‎11‎/‎01‎/‎2019 at 05:58, Andrew P said:

In November 2017 I submitted a case to OAWG/CWGC regarding the unknown 40th Bn AIF grave in Heath Cemetery.

Unfortunately they have not as yet responded  

I have just received a case no. from CWGC for one submitted at the beginning of December, so about 5-6 weeks. I would contact them to see if they received your case.

Richard

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laughton

I checked the list yesterday and it was Case 454 if you are talking about Heath grave 1.F.17.

 

I am not allowed to publish the list but can look up cases and answer questions as to whether a case has been submitted.

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Ken Lees
8 hours ago, laughton said:

I checked the list yesterday and it was Case 454 if you are talking about Heath grave 1.F.17.

 

I am not allowed to publish the list but can look up cases and answer questions as to whether a case has been submitted.

Yes, that's the one. 

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Andrew P
On 12/01/2019 at 01:51, Ken Lees said:

Does it normally take that long, Andrew? 

Hi Ken

 

Australian cases now go via Office of Australian War Graves and Unrecovered War Casualties section of the Australian Army, then on to CWGC.

 

We have submitted about 70 cases to CWGC since 2014, 20 have been successful but still waiting on answers for about 50.

 

there's normally a bit of time to wait in getting a yes or no to a submission.

 

cheers

andrew

 

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Becstar

Hi Ken

For a Headstone change/ identity confirmation the backlog at the UWC-Army is around 8-9 months before it’ll get looked at.  Complex cases can take up to two years. 

Headstone Change decisions are made in-house (although still go to the CWGC if a case is compelling for CWGC nod of approval), Headstone Change submissions don’t go before an Identity Board as complex cases do. 

Andrew is the guru though I’ve been told. 😀 (I’m guessing that’s the Andrew I think it is, your name was mentioned to me, all positive of course!)

Bec

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