Pte. ALBERT JAMES TOOMEY, RAMC, died 1915. Possible In From the Cold?

[Guest]

   I post below extracts from a local newspaper, Leytonstone Express,  on the inquest of this man.  He is not listed on CWGC. He is on the 1911 Census as a serving soldier and also on Soldiers Effects, as "Died after Discharge"-which is not at all clear from the inquest report. He does not appear  to have received any medals, despite the inquest report recounting his military history at Mons.

   As he died of TB, which was most likely contracted on service, given the timeframe-is he a possible In From the Cold??  Also, the Coroner's Jury found that his death was exacerbated by service in the trenches.

( Thanks to British Library, for the microfilm copy of Leytonstone Express-  No copyright holder given but copied as "fair use")

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 4 November , 2018 by Guest

[clk]

Hi,

 

1 hour ago, voltaire60 said:

He does not appear  to have received any medals,

 

On Ancestry his medal rolls appear to be here. The 14 Star Roll is for 7 Field Ambulance. Arriving in theatre 18.8.1914, and discharged 22.9.1914 "No longer physically fit for war service".

 

Regards

Chris

[chaz]

Chris

been looking at this for a few minutes, this A J is down as Alfred James.? 

 

why no SWB??

Edited 4 November , 2018 by chaz

[Mark1959]

Assume you believe he is the chap in 1911 serving with RAMC according to return. Father Thomas Edward, Mother Ellen Theresa. Poplar

In which case there is an enlistment 1902 of man with correct name and parents from same road. Militia 5 R Fus - 9/4/1902. He seems to have been posted to the RAMC immediately.

We seem to have
Albert Toomey 75511 but he died in 1918

Or an AJ Toomey 18592

This man has a MIC that indicates first name is Alfred. But is entitled to 1914 Star and Clasp and entered Theatre 14/8/14. FMP has a medical record for an AJ Toomey - number impossible to decipher but does not look like 18592 - however his unit looks like 7/7 FA. So presumably same man. Admitted 24/8/14. Age 27 and service 11 years. Admitted for hernia. The MIC for 18592 indicates Discharged 22/9/14. 

The injured whilst lifting stretchers (report), length of service make him a strong candidate for Albert despite the Alfred identification. He certainly needs to be positively excluded

edit - 18592 has an Effects record. Died After Discharge. Discharged 22/9/14. Died 22/2/1915. Widow Ellen. The report suggests above man died 23/2/1915. To me it is QED

Edited 4 November , 2018 by Mark1959

[clk]

Hi chaz,

 

Thanks for pointing that out. My mistake, and there was me getting excited! Just found a MH106 record on FMP for a AJ Toomey 7 FA, admitted 14 FA 25.8.1914 with a hernia.

 

Regards

Chris

 

Edit (1):

Same as Mark really. Perhaps either the medal roll or the newspaper has the incorrect first name?

 

Edit(2):

Looking at the MH106 record again...

Image source: Findmypast

 

I think that I can see "RamCorps   7th Fd Am", but the service number appears to something like 88502 or 88509

 

Edited 4 November , 2018 by clk

[Mark1959]

See simultaneous post - not any doubt I think

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23 minutes ago, chaz said:

Chris

been looking at this for a few minutes, this A J is down as Alfred James.? 

 

why no SWB??

A lot of early discharges don't seem to have been revisited but I suspect that as he died in 1915 no-one put in a retrospective claim for the SWB.

Craig

[Mark1959]

Despite the data inconsistencies I think 18592 is the man - the medical record has a high probability, Albert is his real name and Alfred is wrong. I cannot find an Alfred to fit the bill. The inquest outcome would help any "in from the cold" application. I think the London inquest records are at the Metropolitan Archives. Suppose we need to look for a grave

[clk]

Perhaps more circumstantial info to look at...

 

3 hours ago, Mark1959 said:

Assume you believe he is the chap in 1911 [living at 5, Grove Villas, Poplar] serving with RAMC according to return. [Then single and living with] Father Thomas Edward...

 

and that the newspaper report names his wife as Ellen, and that they were living at 8, Ford Street, Canning Town, then there is this on Ancestry...

 

 

I don't know where the PR is held, but it would be interesting to know if it shows an address for the bride/groom, and records the occupation of the groom.

 

Regards

Chris

 

 

 

 

[Mark1959]

18592 AJ Toomey is noted in RAMC Journal as returning from South Africa 8th Dec 1910. See page 9 in link

https://jramc.bmj.com/content/jramc/16/1/1.2.full.pdf

page labelled 153 here shows 18592 to Army Res. 8/4/1911

https://jramc.bmj.com/content/jramc/16/1/1.2.full.pdf

He is in the list of chaps going to South Africa Sept 1906 here

https://jramc.bmj.com/content/jramc/16/1/1.2.full.pdf

The medical records shows that man as Roman Catholic, As is the 1902 enlistment man. The 1902 enlistment was on 9/4/02. Into RAMC same day. So 18592 to Reserve on 8/4/11 would be exactly 9 years service.

 

Edited 4 November , 2018 by Mark1959

[Guest]

Thanks Chaps-  Thought he would be out there somewhere.  I hope the IFTC take note of the inquest report.