Help to trace info re Great grandfathers

[Sommevr6]

Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum so apologies if this is not in the correct section. I'm currently researching my family tree and need some help in trying to obtain more information about my great grandfathers military service. I have a War medal belonging to one of my relatives which bears the inscription T4-056114 Dvr M Mason A.S.C. This is Mathias Mason and i have managed to establish that he was a driver in the Army Service Corps and his medal index card shows he was entitled to the War Medal and the Victory Medal. I am trying to gain more info in relation to where he served and if possible with which Division or corps/Army. I am also looking to do the same with another great grandfather Jesse Winward HERBERT who was sapper 58785 in the Royal Engineers and was entitled to the 1915 Star, War Medal and Victory Medal. I believe he was a farrier/blacksmith by trade and went to France 31/05/15.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

[chaz]

the T of T4 means he was a horse transport driver. problem with the ASC was/is that they were always on the move supplying one or another regiment. the museum may have further information, now the www.royallogisticcorps.co.uk/heritage/museum/

 

 

as for Jesse Herbert he was probably put in the Royal Engineers due to his skills, likewise, the Engineers were everywhere so maybe hard to tie either of them down to actual places.

[Mark1959]

Do you have any personal detail of either: likely year of birth, parents, siblings, place of birth, residence, etc. All these may help track the men down

[chaz]

1911 census

 

Name:	Jesse Winward Herbert
Age in 1911:	34
Estimated Birth Year:	abt 1877
Relation to Head:	Head
Gender:	Male
Birth Place:	Everton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:	Chorley
County/Island:	Lancashire
Country:	England
Street address:	9 Coventry St Chorley Lancs
Marital Status:	Married
Occupation:	Blacksmiths Stricker
Registration district:	Chorley

[chaz]

taking Mathias Mason and the same area there are 3 possibilities to include age for serving in WW1

Matthias H Mason Beatrice A birth abt 1887 born Sunderland Head lived St Giles, Shropshire                     Arthur Matthias Mason Clara birth abt 1878 born Windle, Cheshire, England Head lived Kettleshulme, Cheshire     Matthias Mason Honor birth abt 1882 born Whittle Le Woods, Lancashire, England Head lived Whittle le Woods, Lancashire

 

all were married , as he was an ASC driver , Arthur 1878 was a farmer  And Mathias 1882 was a drayman for a brewery, Mathias 1887 was a life insurance agent so would rule out.

[Sommevr6]

On 11/3/2018 at 5:23 PM, chaz said:

1911 census

 

Name:	Jesse Winward Herbert
Age in 1911:	34
Estimated Birth Year:	abt 1877
Relation to Head:	Head
Gender:	Male
Birth Place:	Everton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:	Chorley
County/Island:	Lancashire
Country:	England
Street address:	9 Coventry St Chorley Lancs
Marital Status:	Married
Occupation:	Blacksmiths Stricker
Registration district:	Chorley

Hi Chaz, apologies for the delay in responding but this is the correct Jesse Herbert.

[Sommevr6]

Chaz, the Matthias Mason, drayman from Whittle le woods is the correct one although on his medal card I think Matthias is spelt with just the one “t”.

 

I have previously made enquiries with both the Engineers museum and the Logistics Corps museum about both my great grandfathers but these drew blanks other than to confirm that the T4 indicated  horse transport.

[chaz]

As we would expect, line regiments kept war diaries, the service regiments inc labour, ASC and some engineers were out and about so hard to account for. This is why many medal Collectors pass on them, no history or traceability.

you do find variations in name spelling, also when checking ancestry watch for guessed towns, villages and names. Came across Burnbey today should be Burnley, down to handwriting..

[johnmelling1979]

Hello to Sommevr6 and everyone else

 

My name is John Melling, 

I am the founder of  www.claytonandwhittleatwar.co.uk 

The website researches all the men on the on the memorial from WW1 and WW2 and those who returned and other stuff.

 

I have Matthias Mason's name on my Returned from Duty page with a very short sentence for him as I only created the  Returned from Duty page late 2018

If you have any more information or a picture of him it will help us both out 

 

 

All the best

 

John Melling