Help identifying a soldier by uniform

[cewalkeruk]

Hi 

Does anyone know the regiment this man was in or maybe what age the photo might be? I know his surname will be either Holliday, King, Goodenough or maybe Denton.

Thanks

Caroline

[derekb]

Is he an Irish policeman?

[HERITAGE PLUS]

Looks like a post war PC to me too.

[cewalkeruk]

Ahh, ok he could be? So nothing to do with the war? I thought because he has what look a bit like a medal ribbon bar(??) there might be a connection. Thanks. 

 

[cewalkeruk]

I have another photo I am having a go at identifying. I think I have the regiment and so which ancestor. But I don't know which of the men in the photo is him. If I am right these men are in the Royal Artillery (Royal Horse artillery and Royal Field Artillery) His rank is Battery Quartermaster  Sergeant his name is Henry Albert Goodenough. What do you think?

[HERITAGE PLUS]

The photo is post-war because the man in the photo is indeed wearing medals for war service.

 

Do you have forenames to go with the surnames that you have listed? This would help with identifying which Regiment he served with during the war.

 

If you have access to FMP you could search for his Police details here:

 

https://www.findmypast.ie/articles/world-records/full-list-of-the-irish-family-history-records/education-and-work/ireland-royal-irish-constabulary-service-records-1816-1922

 

Dave

[cewalkeruk]

Ok thanks, I really don't know which ancestor it is, but I do have FMP so will search the surnames and see if any jump out. Thank you so much I can't believe how quickly you came back! :o)

[ss002d6252]

32 minutes ago, cewalkeruk said:

I have another photo I am having a go at identifying. I think I have the regiment and so which ancestor. But I don't know which of the men in the photo is him. If I am right these men are in the Royal Artillery (Royal Horse artillery and Royal Field Artillery) His rank is Battery Quartermaster  Sergeant his name is Henry Albert Goodenough. What do you think? 

 

The chevrons on the lower left arm are for long service/good conduct - these were worn only by men who were below the rank of Serjeant so, assuming one of these is him, he would have to be either the man in the bottom left or the picture was taken before he became a Serjeant and the good conduct chevrons were removed.

 

I don't see any overseas service stripes on the right arms. The overseas service stripes were authorised at the end of 1917 so, as Albert had served overseas, the picture would need to have been taken before these were issued for wear in 1918.

 

Henry Albert Goodenough enlisted to the RA on 1 Oct 1910 and was sent out to France on 16 Aug 1914.

Craig

Edited 1 November , 2018 by ss002d6252

[cewalkeruk]

Dave!! Thank you so much I've found him John Edmund KING! You are a super star!

[cewalkeruk]

Craig, Thank you. I looked for family likeness' comparing him to a photo of his brother (photo has a name on the back). And the man bottom left is the one I was guessing it would be. So I think you have found the man for me! Thank you another super star!!

[ss002d6252]

43 minutes ago, cewalkeruk said:

Craig, Thank you. I looked for family likeness' comparing him to a photo of his brother (photo has a name on the back). And the man bottom left is the one I was guessing it would be. So I think you have found the man for me! Thank you another super star!!

 

I'm by no means an expert on insignia but he doesn't look to be wearing any rank insignia or long service/good conduct chevrons. It would suggest to me that the picture was taken whilst he was still a Private and before Oct 1912 (when he would have become entitled to a chevron) however until 1915 or so I thought a moustache was part of army requirements so that would seem to date the picture to a later date...

 

Someone will be along with a second opinion, I'm sure.

 

Craig

[FROGSMILE]

The first man (uppermost photo) is Royal Irish Constabulary if before 1922, or Royal Ulster Constabulary if after 1922.  He might also have been in both constabularies if his service straddled that year.

[FROGSMILE]

Craig makes some good points about the photo of the Gunner (rather than Private) that you are researching.  All the artillery-men are wearing the pre-1915 cap and the complete absence of wound stripes or other mid to late War Insignia suggests a photo from 1914 or perhaps before.

Edited 1 November , 2018 by FROGSMILE

[cewalkeruk]

Thanks Frogsmile. His service was from 15 Feb 1921 to 13 Feb 1922.

[cewalkeruk]

So, if I have got the right person (Henry Albert Goodenough) for the photo (with the four men) in 1911 he was a 'driver' in 50 battery RFA. Then in August 1917 he received decoration as a corporal. Could he have been a gunner inbetween?

[ss002d6252]

8 minutes ago, cewalkeruk said:

So, if I have got the right person (Henry Albert Goodenough) for the photo (with the four men) in 1911 he was a 'driver' in 50 battery RFA. Then in August 1917 he received decoration as a corporal. Could he have been a gunner inbetween?

Some units used their own terms in place of Private but both Gunner and Driver were the same rank as Private.

 

All of the men in picture would certainly fit with being a Driver.

 

Craig

[cewalkeruk]

That's great thanks Craig. This WW1 terminology is pretty complicated for a novice like me!!

[FROGSMILE]

1 hour ago, cewalkeruk said:

So, if I have got the right person (Henry Albert Goodenough) for the photo (with the four men) in 1911 he was a 'driver' in 50 battery RFA. Then in August 1917 he received decoration as a corporal. Could he have been a gunner inbetween?

 

Yes, Corporal was two ranks above Driver or Gunner and wore two-stripes on the upper arm.  Men could change between driver and gunner (or vice-versa) provided they underwent the necessary specialist training.

Edited 2 November , 2018 by FROGSMILE

[Peter Mc]

Just to clarify, is it established now that John Edmund King is the policeman in the first image, and is he the same man standing, left rear, in the second image? Caroline, what do you know of his Great War service?