Richard W Posted 12 October , 2018 Share Posted 12 October , 2018 (edited) Hi, Hi, all. I have a shell casing - I think - that is obviously German, but I don’t know much about what the impressions/stamps on the base are. Would someone be able to help me with some background/identification, please? I also don’t know what the significance of any of the ‘art’ engravings is, if there is any at all? It is 230mm in diameter and is undoubtedly cut down as it is only 230mm tall. Thank you in advance of any help, Rich Edited 12 October , 2018 by Richard W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 12 October , 2018 Share Posted 12 October , 2018 Others know better than I,to be going on with... Is it necessarily cut down? I am wondering if it is from a naval piece - hence the Neptune/Poseidon. Or is it one of the other Olympian Triad? Lion naturally makes one think of GB... But I think a German naval piece would have a crown over an M on it... "MAI 1917" is the manufacture date of this one, May 1917, and GSFP is for Geschoss Fabrik Spandau, where it was made. Not certain of the "64". I have an idea what the markings on the fize is but don't want to commit myself that far! The Sp 197 is, I bleieve, a Spandau inspector's mark. Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peregrinvs Posted 12 October , 2018 Share Posted 12 October , 2018 I think you may have a 21cm Mörser cartridge case. If so, it hasn't been cut down: http://www.kaisersbunker.com/cc/cc10.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard W Posted 12 October , 2018 Author Share Posted 12 October , 2018 Wow, thank you for your fast response time, trajan, and for identifying the stamped markings. I actually don't know if it's cut down or not - I 'found' this plus several other trench art pieces in France this summer and I am trying to make some sense of all the markings, origins and engravings on them I wondered about naval due to its size (and the engraving), but the lion threw me as I knew it was German in origin - is there 'trench art' on naval shells? I had wondered if it was one of the big guns, like 'Big Bertha' but it's obviously a smaller size than those 'fort busters', I think? Thank you, Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard W Posted 12 October , 2018 Author Share Posted 12 October , 2018 8 minutes ago, peregrinvs said: I think you may have a 21cm Mörser cartridge case. If so, it hasn't been cut down: http://www.kaisersbunker.com/cc/cc10.htm That seems to be it. Fantastic!! Thank you so much, peregrinvs. No idea who would have decided this casing should be engraved upon though - although I am pleased it was - or why they chose to depict what they did. Cheers, Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 12 October , 2018 Share Posted 12 October , 2018 27 minutes ago, peregrinvs said: I think you may have a 21cm Mörser cartridge case. If so, it hasn't been cut down I knew I had seen somethingshort and dumpy like this somewhere! Thanks! 22 minutes ago, Richard W said: Wow, thank you for your fast response time, trajan, and for identifying the stamped markings. ... Happy to help, but still thinking on that fuze marking...!!! 16 minutes ago, Richard W said: That seems to be it. Fantastic!! Thank you so much, peregrinvs. No idea who would have decided this casing should be engraved upon though - although I am pleased it was - or why they chose to depict what they did. Cheers, Rich There's the rub! Sometimes impossible to work out why the engraver chose the scene they did. Does the Olympian god hold a trident ? That woud of course be Neptune / Poseidon and so a GB naval connection possible. If a thunderbolt or sceptre, more appropriate for Jupiter. Pluto held keys, if I remember rightly, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard W Posted 12 October , 2018 Author Share Posted 12 October , 2018 He doesn't appear to be holding anything - like a broken off, long leaf or stick, no prongs just as in photo - very odd, I agree. What is it about the fuse marking that is troubling you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 12 October , 2018 Share Posted 12 October , 2018 Nothing especially troubling about the fuze marking - looks fine, but this is not my field after all and I can't work out what it means! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard W Posted 12 October , 2018 Author Share Posted 12 October , 2018 11 minutes ago, trajan said: Nothing especially troubling about the fuze marking - looks fine, but this is not my field after all and I can't work out what it means! Lol. As you can see, none of it's mine right now. Sadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peregrinvs Posted 12 October , 2018 Share Posted 12 October , 2018 9 hours ago, trajan said: Nothing especially troubling about the fuze marking - looks fine, but this is not my field after all and I can't work out what it means! It’s called a primer. According to the Treasure Bunker website: ”The primer is the small 16mm Mörser (howitzer) pattern marked: Schlgzdschr. 14 (Schlagzündschraube 14 = Impact ignition screw 14).” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 13 October , 2018 Share Posted 13 October , 2018 6 hours ago, peregrinvs said: It’s called a primer. According to the Treasure Bunker website: ”The primer is the small 16mm Mörser (howitzer) pattern marked: Schlgzdschr. 14 (Schlagzündschraube 14 = Impact ignition screw 14).” Thanks for that! I had assumed 'Schlag' but the only expression that came to mind was 'Schlagsahne'...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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