JW48 Posted 8 September , 2018 Share Posted 8 September , 2018 (edited) Hello everyone My great uncle, MF (Fred) Gotts, service no. 15156, 9th Norfolks, was killed on 15 September 1916. I have a reburial certificate for him at Guillemont Road Cemetery with a grid reference for his original burial, but I can’t figure out where he was originally buried (I’ve attached the image) I know the 9th Norfolk’s were involved in the taking of the Quadrilateral near Ginchy on 15th Sept 1916, so he could have been buried nearer to there. We have no information about how or where he was killed, so I’m really keen to locate this map reference. Thanks so much for any suggestions. Edited 8 September , 2018 by JW48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 8 September , 2018 Share Posted 8 September , 2018 (edited) Hi and welcome. If you look at the 4th column, top line of the form detail, under "Map Reference where body found" you will see "57c T14.??.1.1" (can't make out the middle letter I think "a" but you only would have a, b, c or d) regards Jon Edited 8 September , 2018 by jonbem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW48 Posted 8 September , 2018 Author Share Posted 8 September , 2018 Thanks Jon, I’ve seen that and tried typing it into the NLS trench map site but to no avail, is there anywhere else where I can use this reference to locate his original grave I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 8 September , 2018 Share Posted 8 September , 2018 (edited) A map is here and to work out locations see https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/battlefields/how-to-read-a-british-trench-map/ Edited 8 September , 2018 by jonbem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 8 September , 2018 Share Posted 8 September , 2018 Just outside Ginchy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW48 Posted 8 September , 2018 Author Share Posted 8 September , 2018 Thanks Jon, this is so useful, I’ve located square 14 and it is the area near Ginchy. Really appreciate you help with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 8 September , 2018 Share Posted 8 September , 2018 Feeding the coordinates from the burial return into tmapper.com and assuming that the mystery letter is b gives me this. it appears in the correct area for the Ginchy Quadrilateral. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW48 Posted 8 September , 2018 Author Share Posted 8 September , 2018 Thank you both, I had no idea that these sites existed. Really appreciate your help, I’m so pleased to have this info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 8 September , 2018 Share Posted 8 September , 2018 (edited) The War Diary for 9 Norfolks on National Archives is HERE for a fee or if you have Ancestry access HERE for 15 Sept 1916 431 Other Ranks were casualties. Edited 8 September , 2018 by jonbem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW48 Posted 8 September , 2018 Author Share Posted 8 September , 2018 Thank you, I’ll take a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 8 September , 2018 Share Posted 8 September , 2018 No problem JW. I've tried putting in the a,c and d as alternatives and they are all in the same area. I thought I might have a photo too having visited Ginchy a few years back but my camera was pointing in the wrong direction as usual. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 8 September , 2018 Share Posted 8 September , 2018 I see that 15156 Marshall Fred Gotts was awarded the trio, 15 star, BWM & Victory Medal. Index card on Ancestry Star Roll BWM & VM Soldiers Effects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW48 Posted 9 September , 2018 Author Share Posted 9 September , 2018 (edited) We went to Guillemont Cemetery this Summer, so I’ve now got quite a good idea of the surrounding area. Guillemont Cemetery is stunningly beautiful. Thanks Also for the Ancestry details, I’ll take look, we actually have Fred’s 3medals. Edited 9 September , 2018 by JW48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 11 September , 2018 Share Posted 11 September , 2018 This NLS map shows both locations. https://maps.nls.uk/view/101464777 Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW48 Posted 11 September , 2018 Author Share Posted 11 September , 2018 Thank you, this map is really clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towisuk Posted 10 December , 2018 Share Posted 10 December , 2018 You will have no trouble locating the original burial site, they were in the process of erecting some wind turbines in that area when I was over in October... regards Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Lees Posted 11 December , 2018 Share Posted 11 December , 2018 (edited) On 08/09/2018 at 22:38, Fattyowls said: Feeding the coordinates from the burial return into tmapper.com and assuming that the mystery letter is b gives me this. it appears in the correct area for the Ginchy Quadrilateral. Pete. The Quadrilateral was in the bottom right of the above image, where the white triangle is now. Map ref: 15.c.0.3 Edited 11 December , 2018 by Ken Lees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 11 December , 2018 Share Posted 11 December , 2018 Excellent Ken, there's nothing like having some local expertise. Hope all is well with you and Happy Christmas/Joyeux Noel depending on your current location. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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