Sue L Posted 20 August , 2018 Share Posted 20 August , 2018 hello Can anyone help me understand what this man's injury actually was - see attachment Thanks Sue L hospital admission info.pdf Apologies - it is Wm Weatherill I am interested in! Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxD Posted 20 August , 2018 Share Posted 20 August , 2018 (edited) The I or 1 is to be related to (as it says above) the classification on the flyleaf which we can't see in that clip. The Sev means severe (as opposed to Slt which is slight). Another bit of coding then L (left) elbow. Need to see more of the document. Hang on - found the flyleaf. If you are looking at it on Findmypast, then use the left arrow to go back to the beginning of the document. You may get there first! Max Edited 20 August , 2018 by MaxD Addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxD Posted 20 August , 2018 Share Posted 20 August , 2018 (edited) I read it as I (1) Gunshot wound to the head - contusions and simple flesh wounds - severe. The next one on the Left Elbow should be VIII - (4) (compound fractures of the upper extremities)which may belong to the chap below him. There are two more records showing treatment which refer only to the first injury so I'd say the elbow was not him. Max Edited 20 August , 2018 by MaxD new info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue L Posted 20 August , 2018 Author Share Posted 20 August , 2018 Hi Max Thanks for this suggestion which was very helpful. I have found the flyleaf and think it translates as gunshot wound to the head with fracture of the cranium without depression. I think the left elbow belongs to the person below I've attached the images below in case you have further thoughts Sue I think we crossed messages!! Hi Max I think you are right. I have misread the (1) for a (2) so not a fracture Thanks again Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxD Posted 20 August , 2018 Share Posted 20 August , 2018 I do think it says 1 1 rather than 1 2 but it looks as if the diagnosis changed. In the other records it is shown as I 4 (twice and clearly) - leave you to read it! Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxD Posted 20 August , 2018 Share Posted 20 August , 2018 Optional extra - the hospital was in Camiers , wonderful photos of the village here: https://histopale.net/les-archives/etaples/camiers/ There were a number of hospitals there, up to 10 at various times. Can't find a pic identified as No 18, but No 20 comes up on a Google search. Do you know where he was wounded originally? Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue L Posted 20 August , 2018 Author Share Posted 20 August , 2018 Hi Max Thanks for sending this link - fantastic photos I think he was wounded at High Wood on 15.9.16. The final column of the admissions register (above) has this noted and I think it must be the place of action. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxD Posted 21 August , 2018 Share Posted 21 August , 2018 Really should have gone to youknowwhere! Have you looked at the war diary? Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue L Posted 21 August , 2018 Author Share Posted 21 August , 2018 Not yet but will try that next! Will go to you know where soon!!! Thanks for your help Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 21 August , 2018 Share Posted 21 August , 2018 This entry is also from No 18 General Hospital and barely ten weeks later. The cases seem to be using a different classification system from that shown in your flyleaf above, but they are all medical cases rather than wounds. There are some wound cases a few pages further on and these do follow the <Roman numeral>.(<Arabic numeral>) system (e.g. VIII.4) shown on the flyleaf. Was there another classification on the other flyleaf covering medical cases? Or can anyone point to a medical classification key elsewhere? Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 24 August , 2018 Share Posted 24 August , 2018 On 22/08/2018 at 00:20, MBrockway said: Or can anyone point to a medical classification key elsewhere? Casualties and Medical Statistics, by Major T Mitchell, a volume of the Medical Official History Series, has a classification of illnesses. There are 99 separate entries! Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 24 August , 2018 Share Posted 24 August , 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Ron Clifton said: Casualties and Medical Statistics, by Major T Mitchell, a volume of the Medical Official History Series, has a classification of illnesses. There are 99 separate entries! Ron Thanks Ron - that's a fantastic source and veritable mine of information! The Preface is worth reading in its own right as a very clear explanation of how the medical statistics gathering planned at the start of the War became overwhelmed by the sheer volume of data as the Medical Research Committee entered the second half of the War. However I cannot find any table in it that provides a key to the Non-Battle Casualties in the MH Admissions Register above i.e. that cross-references ... 21 to Influenza 34 to Pyrexia of Uncertain Origin 339 to Inflammation of the Larynx 404 to Bronchitis The Table with 99 separate numbered entries seems to be Table 20 on pp.285-6 and the various detailed tables immediately following. Also since the Admissions Register uses three digit codes, we're passing 99 entries anyway. Chapter XX gives the stats for the million or so men that were used as a representative sample once it was realised that full analysis would be beyond the capacity of the post-war resources available. IIRC these data are the basis for the MH 106 data we have been left with. This statement hints at the complexity of the intended scheme ... "No volume of medical statistics would, however, be complete without a scientific analysis of the cases admitted to hospital for wounds, disease or injury, and the originators of the Medical History of the War had this in view when they outlined their elaborate scheme of tabulating results under a thousand and fifty headings" (p.278, my emboldening) ... which might match up with the Admissions Register's code for 404 Bronchitis etc., but the excellent Preface explains ... "In order to facilitate completion, it had been decided to limit statistics in detail to some fifty of the more important diseases and group the remainder under their appropriate systems." (p. xiii) That seems to correspond well with the 99 numbered headings in Table 20 on pp.285-6. Can anyone add anything further on the "elaborate scheme of tabulating results under a thousand and fifty headings"? Mark Edited 24 August , 2018 by MBrockway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue L Posted 21 September , 2018 Author Share Posted 21 September , 2018 Hi I have another injury code to decifer which I think is linked to Mark's post above mentioning a coding system well above 99 entries. I've attached a scan of the entry but as far as I can see it looks like "952 ICJ Legs" The man is William Todd, 21st KRRC Any thoughts?? Thanks Sue William Todd injury.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 21 September , 2018 Share Posted 21 September , 2018 (edited) I.C.T. = Inflammation of the Connective Tissue Were we looking at Todd earlier in the year? I made some notes on transcription errors in MH106 records of a July 1916 injury. Edited 21 September , 2018 by MBrockway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 21 September , 2018 Share Posted 21 September , 2018 If you're not aware of this, then it is likely to be of interest ... My notes re the MH106 mistranscriptions from last Spring were a false alarm - they related to C/1210 Rfn Alan Todd, also of 21/KRRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue L Posted 21 September , 2018 Author Share Posted 21 September , 2018 Thanks again Mark the translation of ICT is just what I needed! Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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