michaeldr Posted 12 January , 2005 Share Posted 12 January , 2005 Remembering Today on the GWF Able Seaman Edmund Gordon PAYNE J/10182 Royal Navy, (from the CWGC) Name: PAYNE, EDMUND GORDON Initials: E G Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Able Seaman Regiment: Royal Navy Unit Text: H.M.S. "Opal." Age: 24 Date of Death: 12/01/1918 Service No: J/10182 Additional information: Son of Fred and Caroline Martha Payne, of 24, Barley Banks, Offham, Lewes, Sussex. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: 29. Cemetery: PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL For further information [links, photographs etc] on the tragic loss of two British destroyers, HMS Opal and HMS Narborough, who ran ashore on South Ronaldsay, Orkney, in a snowstorm in January 1918 see http://www.gwpda.org/naval/opalnarb.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Saunders Posted 12 January , 2005 Share Posted 12 January , 2005 The following link will interest anyone interested in the story of the loss of HMS Opal and HMS Naborough in which Edmund Payne lost his life: http://www.gwpda.org/naval/opalnarb.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrtle Posted 12 January , 2005 Share Posted 12 January , 2005 Remembering Lieutenant Robert Evan Lewis-Lloyd, mentioned by Able Seaman William Sissons the only survivor of the disaster, during the Admirality Enquiry. Lt. Lewis-LLoyd, who was First Lieutenant on the Opal, is commemorated on the Rhayader War Memorial in Mid Wales. Myrtle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Nulty Posted 12 January , 2005 Share Posted 12 January , 2005 Flippin' eck, Myrtle, talk about six degrees of separation!!!! Sometimes seems like everybody remembered on GWF can be linked to Rhayader War Memorial!! Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Saunders Posted 12 January , 2005 Share Posted 12 January , 2005 Apologies to Michaeldr as I have just found out I duplicated his earlier thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrtle Posted 12 January , 2005 Share Posted 12 January , 2005 Sometimes seems like everybody remembered on GWF can be linked to Rhayader War Memorial!! It has seemed like that recently. This particular Memorial in a rural location, is very interesting to research but very time consuming. For example there are 85 men commemorated but unlike Pals Battalions the men served with a diverse selection of regiments/services; 35 variations in all (so far) and that's not taking into account the different battalions. Myrtle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrtle Posted 12 January , 2005 Share Posted 12 January , 2005 Edmund Payne's parents were married in East Grinstead 1891. Caroline Martha was a Baldwin before she was married. The family seem to have lived at St Ann without Entire St John Baptist without Entire in 1901 and Fred, Edmund's father, is listed as having the occupation of Game keeper. Edmund was born in Forest Row, Sussex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 13 January , 2005 Author Share Posted 13 January , 2005 Jonathan, No apologies necessary; Anyone checking the Casualty Lists for the ‘Opal’ and the ‘Narborough’ [via the link provided above] will see that this subject is dear to your heart and that you have put in a great amount of work to ensure that these men are not forgotten Regards Michael D.R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 13 January , 2005 Share Posted 13 January , 2005 Edmund was born in Forest Row, Sussex. Does anyone know Edmund's address in Forest Row. It is about five minutes from where I live! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrtle Posted 14 January , 2005 Share Posted 14 January , 2005 Terry Your question did not have a quick answer as Edmund's family were in Forest Row between the 1891 and 1901 census, not at the time of the census. Steve and I are working on it. Myrtle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 14 January , 2005 Share Posted 14 January , 2005 Thanks to you both. I would like to see if the house is still there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Nulty Posted 18 January , 2005 Share Posted 18 January , 2005 Terry After much "toing & froing" between Myrtle and myself, looking at 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 census data, we have reached agreement that Edmund Payne was born in 1894 at the house of his grandfather, Henry Payne which was Brooklands Farm in Forest Row. For context, the Enumeration District including this address in 1901 consisted of Water Farm, Vale Cottages, Homeshall Farm, Brooklands Farm & Cottages, Scarletts Cottage, Shovelstrode Lodge, The Vicarage, Bower Cottages and a few more. Hope this helps. Regards Steve & Myrtle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 18 January , 2005 Share Posted 18 January , 2005 Thank you both for your persistance. I shall try to find the spot this afternoon when I go to Forest Row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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