HPL Posted 18 August , 2018 Share Posted 18 August , 2018 (edited) Hello. I am working on a project to be published next November for the centenary that I wanted to share with you. The project explores how we safeguard our memory of the Great War. I photographed battle reenactments using the Kodak Vest Pocket, also known as ‘The Soldier’s Kodak’, a camera largely used by combatants during WWI. The Vest Pocket produced a great deal of the amateur archival images of the conflict we have today. http://www.hugopassarello.com/albums/nostalgie-boue-first-world-war-france-anniversary/ Hope you find it interesting. Hugo Edited 26 August , 2018 by HPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajsmith Posted 18 August , 2018 Share Posted 18 August , 2018 They certainly look like the real thing Hugo, well done. How did you produce the 'prints': chemically or digitally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 18 August , 2018 Share Posted 18 August , 2018 (edited) They indeed look like the real thing! Fritz Limbach, a German soldier, wrote home (in 1915) that his new camera was very light and would fit in a cigarbox. Don't know the make unfortunately. Must have been the German equivalent of a Kodak Vest Pocket. And his photos have the same "feel" as yours! What type of film did you use? Edited 18 August , 2018 by JWK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteStarLine Posted 19 August , 2018 Share Posted 19 August , 2018 Nice work Hugo and very atmospheric. They look just like my grandfather's photos, too. Well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Filsell Posted 19 August , 2018 Share Posted 19 August , 2018 Excellent. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndCMR Posted 19 August , 2018 Share Posted 19 August , 2018 (edited) That is an interesting idea and I have sometimes thought it would be equally interesting to duplicate the larger views taken with a similar or preferably identical lens as the view cameras of that time used, mounted either on a plate camera of that time, or perhaps a more modern film view camera. It is an odd fact and exception to the general rule of technological improvement that the quality of the large plate images taken from the 19th Century onwards is far superior to what our modern cameras produce. Aerial photos using original lenses would also be interesting, particularly since IIRC the original photos often specify the lens used and such lenses are still to be found and are marked in such ways that they are easily identifable as aero lenses, whereas the lenses and cameras used for many terrestrial photos is a matter of guesswork. Edited 19 August , 2018 by 2ndCMR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajsmith Posted 20 August , 2018 Share Posted 20 August , 2018 The manual makes interesting reading http://www.cameramanuals.org/kodak_pdf/kodak_vest_pocket-special.pdf and shows how advanced photography had become by the beginning of the 20th century, 8 hours ago, 2ndCMR said: It is an odd fact and exception to the general rule of technological improvement that the quality of the large plate images taken from the 19th Century onwards is far superior to what our modern cameras produce. Superior in what way? Using RAW files, a high end camera and professional post processing you can produce images that are at least as good as anything produced by a vintage plate camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Feledziak Posted 20 August , 2018 Share Posted 20 August , 2018 Great idea Hugo. Here is a display from the Lens 1914 1918 museum featuring such a camera. The yellow film pack expired 1917. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPL Posted 20 August , 2018 Author Share Posted 20 August , 2018 On 18/08/2018 at 17:48, ajsmith said: They certainly look like the real thing Hugo, well done. How did you produce the 'prints': chemically or digitally? Hello! Thanks for your message. I developed the film chemically (of course) and then move to digital for the first tests. Will see if costwise I can allow myself some chemical prints. On 19/08/2018 at 15:10, David Filsell said: Excellent. David Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPL Posted 20 August , 2018 Author Share Posted 20 August , 2018 On 19/08/2018 at 02:18, WhiteStarLine said: Nice work Hugo and very atmospheric. They look just like my grandfather's photos, too. Well done! Thanks WhiteStarLine. Glad to see it looks like your grandfathers photo. I was wondering if I was getting a completely different thing from back then or if I was managing to use the camera properly. Thanks for sharing the image. 13 hours ago, Martin Feledziak said: Great idea Hugo. Here is a display from the Lens 1914 1918 museum featuring such a camera. The yellow film pack expired 1917. Thanks Martin Feledziak! That is the same camera indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPL Posted 20 August , 2018 Author Share Posted 20 August , 2018 On 19/08/2018 at 17:16, 2ndCMR said: That is an interesting idea and I have sometimes thought it would be equally interesting to duplicate the larger views taken with a similar or preferably identical lens as the view cameras of that time used, mounted either on a plate camera of that time, or perhaps a more modern film view camera. It is an odd fact and exception to the general rule of technological improvement that the quality of the large plate images taken from the 19th Century onwards is far superior to what our modern cameras produce. Aerial photos using original lenses would also be interesting, particularly since IIRC the original photos often specify the lens used and such lenses are still to be found and are marked in such ways that they are easily identifable as aero lenses, whereas the lenses and cameras used for many terrestrial photos is a matter of guesswork. Thank you 2ndCMR. 23 hours ago, ajsmith said: The manual makes interesting reading http://www.cameramanuals.org/kodak_pdf/kodak_vest_pocket-special.pdf and shows how advanced photography had become by the beginning of the 20th century, Superior in what way? Using RAW files, a high end camera and professional post processing you can produce images that are at least as good as anything produced by a vintage plate camera. Yes the manuals are a great read! On 18/08/2018 at 21:18, JWK said: They indeed look like the real thing! Fritz Limbach, a German soldier, wrote home (in 1915) that his new camera was very light and would fit in a cigarbox. Don't know the make unfortunately. Must have been the German equivalent of a Kodak Vest Pocket. And his photos have the same "feel" as yours! What type of film did you use? Hello I use the Rera Pan Film 100 ISO 127 format. Thanks for sharing that photo. It does look like what I am getting. Hope I can share some more soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac101 Posted 21 August , 2018 Share Posted 21 August , 2018 On 19/08/2018 at 16:16, 2ndCMR said: That is an interesting idea and I have sometimes thought it would be equally interesting to duplicate the larger views taken with a similar or preferably identical lens as the view cameras of that time used, mounted either on a plate camera of that time, or perhaps a more modern film view camera. It is an odd fact and exception to the general rule of technological improvement that the quality of the large plate images taken from the 19th Century onwards is far superior to what our modern cameras produce. Aerial photos using original lenses would also be interesting, particularly since IIRC the original photos often specify the lens used and such lenses are still to be found and are marked in such ways that they are easily identifable as aero lenses, whereas the lenses and cameras used for many terrestrial photos is a matter of guesswork. The quality of the older photographs is down to the large size of the negatives used. Enlarging photos didn’t become common until the 20’s so most of the photos you see of WW1 would have been contact printed, ie the print is the same size as the negative. As your negative gets smaller you need better and better lenses more accurately focused to resolve the detail. Those lenses on the Kodak vest pocket cameras would struggle enormously with the tiny sensors inside a modern digital camera. Lenses are a lot better today especially in professional and enthusiast cameras it just that the quality is eroded by the small sensor size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 22 August , 2018 Share Posted 22 August , 2018 It also comes down to the quality of present-day photopaper. Took the 1915 negative of the photo I posted earlier to the top photography-shop here in the Hague, and the best they could come up with was this: Compare that to what Fritz's cousin back in Germany in 1915 managed to produce in his home-made prints: Same roll of film. Top one: of the group at Auchy-les-Mines and their pet-dud, is nr 11, taken 31 july 1915 Bottom one: part of a picture of probably Karl Romberg from Barmen. First picture on the roll, taken 26 july 1915. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Feledziak Posted 22 August , 2018 Share Posted 22 August , 2018 1 hour ago, JWK said: Bottom one WOW That is as sharp as lemon juice squeezed into a paper cut on anyones hand. I have always been amazed at the clarity of achievements from this period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPL Posted 23 August , 2018 Author Share Posted 23 August , 2018 The quality, the sharpness is excellent. Some of the images made by the French Army service are also surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 23 August , 2018 Share Posted 23 August , 2018 My earlier posting wasn't quite clear as regards sizing, so here a scan of an actual print, made by Paul Bonert sometime in August 1915 at home in Barmen (Wuppertal), alongside an original negative from Fritz Limbach's camera (roll 1, nr 12 "destroyed ships at Auchy harbour", taken 31st July 1915) The print is 5,5 x 7,5 cm The negative is 5,5 x 7,8 cm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPL Posted 24 August , 2018 Author Share Posted 24 August , 2018 Hello JWK So most of the photos you found were printed at roughly this size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 24 August , 2018 Share Posted 24 August , 2018 (edited) @HPL Yes, all 8 printes (from roll 2, 3 and 4) that I have are the same size. I know of the existance of a few other prints (in Australia), and I assume they're the same size. And the 9 negatives are all from roll 1. Your negatives should be (roughly) the same size? Found this little snippet in Fritz's letter from 28th July 1915, when he had just received his camera (He had a Ticka before, but due to the blockade that couldn't be repaired, so his parents sent him a new camera): Maybe it's of interest to you. Quote The camera isn’t that big at all. I have packed it in a cigar box, together with the cassette and the films, and can take it along very easily that way. I have already made some photographs with it. When we get back to Douvrin again I’ll develop them there if possible. Can you please send me developer and fixer in powderform. And when they have it, a red lightbulb for my pocketlight and a spare battery. If you can’t find a red lightbulb please then send me – this is how it’s written in “the handbook of photography” that Uncle Otto once gave me - a piece of red celluloid which I can then put over the lightbulb. I’ll then send you the developed films and you can have prints made from it. I can develop them here in the trenches if you can find me two very light bowls. We’ve got the perfect dark room here in the tunnel Edited 24 August , 2018 by JWK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPL Posted 17 October , 2018 Author Share Posted 17 October , 2018 Hello again. I have a question about print sizes again. so most of the photos you people found from this time were printed on a 5x7cm? Almost like the negative size? Or size was diverse and not standard like we would find now, such as the 10x15cm? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 17 October , 2018 Share Posted 17 October , 2018 In the photograph albums in the archive where I work there's a very wide range of sizes. Even in my parent's albums of the 50s/60s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loganshort Posted 20 October , 2018 Share Posted 20 October , 2018 for large negatives on film or glass plates it was normal and quick to make a "contact print" in a blacked out room with or without red light, by placing the negative onto photographic paper (usually in a little wooden purpose made frame) exposing it to light for a few seconds and then developing it. I have done it myself many years ago. I am amazed he would do it in a trench! But then, the German trenches were far better than ours! Enlargers were bulky and required electricity to power the bulb to throw light through the negative and a lense, projecting it as a larger image onto the paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPL Posted 29 November , 2018 Author Share Posted 29 November , 2018 Hello. I have recenlty added over 20 new photos that I took of battle reenactments using the Kodak Vest Pocket. Please find the link below. I would be more than happy to hear your observations, criticism, suggestions etc. Thanks! http://www.hugopassarello.com/albums/nostalgie-boue-first-world-war-france-anniversary/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 29 November , 2018 Share Posted 29 November , 2018 3 hours ago, HPL said: Hello. I have recenlty added over 20 new photos that I took of battle reenactments using the Kodak Vest Pocket. Please find the link below. I would be more than happy to hear your observations, criticism, suggestions etc. Thanks! http://www.hugopassarello.com/albums/nostalgie-boue-first-world-war-france-anniversary/ Beautiful! The photo of the soldier sitting on a wooden chest sure looks like it was made 100 years ago! As does the one of the Mont Renaud chapel. A suggestion: they're quite dark. If you lighten them up they become more alive, and you see details that are now hidden in the shade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPL Posted 30 November , 2018 Author Share Posted 30 November , 2018 14 hours ago, JWK said: Beautiful! The photo of the soldier sitting on a wooden chest sure looks like it was made 100 years ago! As does the one of the Mont Renaud chapel. A suggestion: they're quite dark. If you lighten them up they become more alive, and you see details that are now hidden in the shade. You are right. They are quite dark. I will try to lighen them up. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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