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Lieutenant Walter Edward Butler, Manchester Regjment


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Hi all,

 

I am seeking extra information of Lieutenant Walter Edward Butler, Mancester Regiment.

I know he was commissioned to rank 2nd Lieutenant 1913 from OTC and started to serve in 6th Manchester Volunteers Battalion. 

1914 he landed in France with 2nd Battalion, D Coy as a platoon leader. He was captured by Germans almost immediately during retreat and was held in the Prison camp whole war.

When he was released January 1919 he went to North Russia with Syren forces. 

 

My main question is history of Syren forces in general. Also like I understand many officers became entitled to Imperial Russian awards as well, are they recorded somewhere?

 

Finally, was Lieutenant Butler MID for North Russia, I can't find LG input for that But one of the relatives of him claimed he was.

 

Any other information of him would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanking you in advance!

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There is a mention in despatches for Russia (Murmansk) for a 2nd Lt. W. E. Butler, Manchester Regt. (S.R.). The same?

 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31764/supplement/1383

 

Edit to add: Checking M.I.Cs. "W. E. Butler" is unique in the Manchester Regt.

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2nd Lt. W. E. Butler, Manchester Regt. was promoted to Lt. effective 2 February 1915 although this was not gazetted until November 1920

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/32112/supplement/10734

He resigned his commission on 25 April 1922 and retained the rank of Lt.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/32681/supplement/3302

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Escape atempt MID was surely a rare occasion and actually well known...

 

From the book " The Tunnelers of Holzminder".

 

He was one of the officers who actually escaped but was captured in nearby village.

 

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Noor,

 

I am afraid I havent got a photo but I think if his date of birth was 11.5.1883 then he was a pupil at Manchester Grammar School from 1896 - 1900.

 

This is helpful as the school still exists and will hold all photographs taken of pupils and if you contact them they may be able to assist.

 

Not wanting to put a damper on things but can I ask how you know this BWM is to the 2nd Lt. W.E. BUTLER of the Manchester Regiment.

 

My 1919 Army List shows two other 2nd Lt. W.E. BUTLER;s, one in the Labour Corps and one in the 5th S.Staffs (att. to the 1st KSLI)?

 

regards

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Sphinx, the regiment is stamped on the medal rim after the name.

Simon

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15 minutes ago, mancpal said:

Sphinx, the regiment is stamped on the medal rim after the name.

Simon

 

 

No thats incorrect.

 

Officers medals (BWM & Victory) dont have those details, hence my question.

 

regards

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I stand corrected. None of my lot reached the dizzy heights of commisiondom.

 

Simon

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A valid point. When I bought that medal I thought in good faith that the information provided was valid and the dealer confirmed that the rank/naming are unique.

 

Now, I had a quick look and South Staffs 2nd Lieutenant was commissioned just in the end of the war 1918. Medal Index Card shows BWM and VM were returned.

 

Another LC 2nd Lieutenant was discharged 1921 and I wasn't able to locate his MIC  on national archive or Ancestry. Officers have to claim their medals and I can't see any trace did he do so.

 

Anyway. Questions remain like sphinx asked....

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