Grave Registration Headstone Query F CLINE 102/Canadian Infantry

[BarbaraG]

Now really confused - having taken this photograph on visit to Anneux British Cemetery in November 2017 - recently came across difference in dates for death, 20th or 27th???

On further investigation the 30 Sept 1918 also appears..

 

I contacted the CWGC for clarification and received a reference to the Attestation Papers, which I had already seen and don't think there is any detail for death.

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=106055

However the Canadian Virtual Memorial references the CWGC for details....

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/remembrance/memorials/canadian-virtual-war-memorial/detail/187801?Frank Cline

 

Not sure what I can add from CWGC I've found but have downloaded details....

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/187801/cline,-/

There are different dates recorded Grave Registration Report - ?? 30 Sept 1918 (ditto mark??)

Index No. Fr. 256 Annex Brit. Cem. page 11 - 20 Sept 1918

Comprehensive Report (A) of Headstone Inscriptions - date of death 27 Sept 1918 

 

Can anyone can help or advise please.

 

Barbara 

Edited 8 August , 2018 by BarbaraG

[charlie2]

Barbara,

His service record consistently records the 27th. http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B1802-S060

Charlie

[BarbaraG]

Many thanks Charlie - just found the link to the pdf file. 

The CWGC are going to update details.

Once again makes me realise how amazing it is that so many records survive.

 

Barbara

Edited 8 August , 2018 by BarbaraG

[MaxD]

27th would accord with the battalion war diary which records no casualties on 20th Sep but many on 27th, 28th and 30th.

 

Max

[BarbaraG]

Many thanks Max.

 

I've also found an entry in the Circumstances of Death Registers for Frank CLINE confirming 27 Sept. 1918 k-in-a.

Location of Unit at Time of Casualty - Vicinity of Bourlon Wood.

On the reverse 'Remarks' Exhumed from: Sheet 57c.F.19.c.5.5. Grave 1616

 

Barbara

[clk]

Hi Barbara,

 

1 hour ago, BarbaraG said:

57c.F.19.c.5.5

 

Original image from the National Library of Scotland - link

 

Regards

Chris

 

[MaxD]

That is interesting.  From looking at records of other men killed on the same day, I had suspected a possible "concentration" record which gives an initial burial but didn't find it.  On the map/image at the link below, the cemetery can be seen on the south side of the Route Nationale (above Anneux to the left of the R in Route).  The initial burial is about 200 yards directly south of the cemetery half way between the RN and the village.  The wood at the top of the map/image is Bourlon Wood.

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=14&lat=50.1574&lon=3.1370&layers=101465167&right=BingHyb

From the cemetery details:

The original cemetery was made by the 57th Division Burial Officer and by various units in October 1918. At the Armistice it contained 131 graves but was then greatly increased when graves were brought in from the surrounding battlefields and small cemeteries in the area, including....

 

Max

Chris's response seen, left mine for present day image, agree with his green dot!

[BarbaraG]

Thank you all for clarifying so much detail - interesting to see the map and be able to understand a little more, thanks Chris for the map. Interesting to see the map and aerial view Max.

 

Barbara

Edited 8 August , 2018 by BarbaraG

[laughton]

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Hello

 

Think I've contacted you previously regarding CEF.

Not sure if you can advise but I have recently added some details in the Possible non comms  section (not sure where to put query).

https://www.greatwarforum.org/forum/68-possible-non-commemorations/

Having contacted the CWGC the records are being amended however the Virtual War Memorial details are based on CWGC records and show discrepancies with dates re. death.

 

Any advice appreciated - can forward assorted refs. I've already found if of any help (barbara.grayson@btinternet.com).

 

Hope this makes some sense

Regards

Barbara 

 

Barbara:

 

You need to advise "John Brehaut (cvwm@vac-acc.gc.ca)" about the CWGC change to the records. He will then make the change on the CVWM.

 

Clearly all documents say the 27th. I checked all of his documents, just to make sure.

 

Richard of Canada

[BarbaraG]

Thank you Richard - any chance you can delete my email address from the 'quote'?

Edited 8 August , 2018 by BarbaraG