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dravin

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Hi all

 

I am seeking to identify the regiment the man in the photo served in

 

Its a poor quality photo unfortunately

 

I would say its post war, he has two wound stripes and fours overseas chevrons

 

Would anyone like to make a guess as to the regiment please

 

I won't say what I think it might be as I don't want to muddy the waters

 

Sadly no name for him either

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Hello

Queens West Surrey Regiment by the shoulder title,

Hope this helps

 

Chris

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Many thanks Chris, your eyes are better than mine ;-)

 

But the S on the end is clearer now so I think you may be right

 

I will pursue that and see where it takes me, much appreciate your input

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Stoppage Drill said:

Four overseas chevrons, two wound stripes and ribbons for Queen's South Africa and King's South Africa.

 

I couldn't make out the ribbons, so that is very welcome information

 

 

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From family information it appears this man may be one William MAHONEY 851 3rd Battalion The Queens West Surrey Regiment

 

He appears in the medal rolls for the 2nd Boer war medals

 

There is also a William MAHONEY in the Queens 6437 who attested 21st Aug 1915, his MIC shows he was later in the Labour corps 373665

 

 

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44 minutes ago, dravin said:

his MIC shows

His MIC shows BWM and VM only. Would he have been able to accumulate 4 overseas service chevrons if he didn't go overseas until 1916 ?

 

Charlie

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18 minutes ago, charlie962 said:

His MIC shows BWM and VM only. Would he have been able to accumulate 4 overseas service chevrons if he didn't go overseas until 1916 ?

 

Charlie

Not by any means an expert on it but I would raise the same point - could have have accrued the chevrons from 1916 onwards service only? What was the cut -off date for qualification?

Craig

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19 minutes ago, charlie962 said:

His MIC shows BWM and VM only. Would he have been able to accumulate 4 overseas service chevrons if he didn't go overseas until 1916 ?

 

Charlie

 

Yes that point hadn't been missed, I was working on that very thing

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From what I can see the eligibility period ended in 1922 so there was scope to get 4 chevrons in from 1916.

Craig

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See Overseas Chevrons for the rules.  He would have received one chevron upon leaving the UK and an additional chevron for each year thereafter. Thus he could have accumulated four chevrons by serving abroad into 1919.

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11 minutes ago, ss002d6252 said:

From what I can see the eligibility period ended in 1922 so the there was scope to get 4 chevrons in from 1916.

Craig

 

Yes that was my findings also, so if he served overseas in 1916, he would only have to serve until 1919 to gain the four chevrons

 

So its still possibly the right man, everything else stacks up so far

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8 hours ago, dravin said:

 

Yes that was my findings also, so if he served overseas in 1916, he would only have to serve until 1919 to gain the four chevrons

 

 

 

If that's the case, then by the time he qualified for his fourth chevron, you'd expect to see a BWM ribbon up.

 

What reason is there to think that he didn't go overseas until 1916 ?

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According to The Queen's rough register of recruits c. 1914-1916, held at the Surrey History Centre, 6437 W Mahoney, aged 33, enlisted on 21 August 1915; unfortunately there are no other details.   

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All the indications are that it’s the other chap, 851 Mahoney, who was very likely to have been a recalled reservist and as such would not be required to attest.

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2 hours ago, Stoppage Drill said:

 

If that's the case, then by the time he qualified for his fourth chevron, you'd expect to see a BWM ribbon up.

 

What reason is there to think that he didn't go overseas until 1916 ?

 

He enlists 21st Aug 1915, but does not appear to have been entitled to the 1915 Star, his MIC has no mention of it and he does not seem to be listed in the 1915 medal rolls 

 

So suspect he went overseas in 1916 at the earliest

 

 

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Qualification for stripe was 'outside UK', not neccesarily in a Theatre of War. So he could have been in say India in late 1915 and thus started his qualification?

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22 minutes ago, Stoppage Drill said:

All the indications are that it’s the other chap, 851 Mahoney, who was very likely to have been a recalled reservist and as such would not be required to attest.

 

I suspect both records are for the same man plus one more

 

William MAHONEY 851 3rd Queens  
Embodied 12th Dec 1899 to 7th Feb 1902
A note states absent 1903

Then a man of the same name and age enlists in the Lincolnshire regt

William MAHONEY 6386 Lincolnshire regt
9th March 1903

Absconded on route 11th March 1903

There are descrepancies in that he says he has not served previously but is presently in the 4th Btn East Surrey regt militia

The signatures on each of the above look remarkably similar

As it does on his marriage in 1905

And again in 1911 with wife and children

Then he enlists again in 1915

 

So I strongly suspect they are all the same man

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Brilliant detective work, I think you’ve got him ‘bang to rights’.  Fraudulent re-enlistments were a constant problem throughout the period between Victoria’s reign and up to WW1.

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10 hours ago, FROGSMILE said:

Brilliant detective work, I think you’ve got him ‘bang to rights’.  Fraudulent re-enlistments were a constant problem throughout the period between Victoria’s reign and up to WW1.

 

Well it was all looking rosy

 

Until I found what I think is the man who married and was in the 1911 with the same signature as on the enlistments, in the 1939 National Identity Register 

 

The man in the family died in 1923 you see

 

A little more research required methinks

 

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20 hours ago, dravin said:

 

Well it was all looking rosy

 

Until I found what I think is the man who married and was in the 1911 with the same signature as on the enlistments, in the 1939 National Identity Register 

 

The man in the family died in 1923 you see

 

A little more research required methinks

 

 

Well the signatures were certainly remarkably similar so I can understand why you thought the way that you did.

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