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38th (Welsh) Division at Mametz Wood

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MBrockway

Remembering today the men of 38th (Welsh) Division on the anniversary of the bitter fighting in Mametz Wood in 1916.

 

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The losses cast a long shadow over North Wales.

 

They are not forgotten

:poppy:

 

Mark

 

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Dai Bach y Sowldiwr

Indeed, and throughout Wales.

The old Cardiff Royal Infirmary had a ward named Mametz, to remember the sacrifice of Cardiffians and South Walians.

Known in Welsh merely as 'Brwydr y Coed' (the Battle of the Woods).

Wonderful painting.

'The Welsh at Mametz Wood' by Christopher Williams.

 

The 38th were so mangled, they weren't in fighting action again until July 31st 1917.

Another important date in Welsh history and literature.

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clive_hughes

I was there, briefly, several weeks ago.  Never fails to move me, as I envisage those men from towns and villages all over Wales (and beyond) walking down the slopes and across those deadly fields towards the forest.  

 

As regards the singing of hymns by 16th RWF in the hours before the attack, I've only recently realised that the Welsh Territorials of 53rd Division did exactly the same the night before they moved out to begin the First Battle of Gaza in March 1917.  

 

Cofiwn hwy - we will remember them.

 

Clive

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MBrockway

Remembering Pte Charles Williams of Sawmill Cottage, Llanferres, Denbighshire, who fell with 16/RWF aged 19 years on 11th July 1916 - 102 years ago today.

 

 

The topic includes Graves' famous description searching Mametz Wood on 16 July 1916 for blankets and coats for his men, and his poem A Dead Boche.

 

Graves' Sospan Fach is quoted in full in this detailed topic about the Mametz Wood actions

Sospan Fach repeated here ...

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:poppy:

 

Mark

 

 

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Dai Bach y Sowldiwr

Very good.

Just a small gripe- and to inform our friends from over the dyke though, that "Aberystwyth" doesn't actually rhyme with "hissed with".

It would however rhyme with "Rust Pith".

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Bernard_Lewis

A dark day for Swansea and, indeed, most of Wales.

 

Not forgotten.

 

Bernard

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Ron Clifton
On 11/07/2018 at 15:49, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

Very good.

Just a small gripe- and to inform our friends from over the dyke though, that "Aberystwyth" doesn't actually rhyme with "hissed with".

 

It does in English, and the poem (as quoted) is in English.

On 11/07/2018 at 15:49, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

It would however rhyme with "Rust Pith".

 

It still doesn't. In Welsh it would rhyme with "Rust Puth."

 

Ron

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Dai Bach y Sowldiwr
1 hour ago, Ron Clifton said:

It does in English, and the poem (as quoted) is in English.

 

It still doesn't. In Welsh it would rhyme with "Rust Puth."

 

Ron

See Post #8

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Don Regiano

and how was/is Mametz pronounced?  I must ask a local when I next visit.

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Dai Bach y Sowldiwr
On 16/07/2018 at 23:09, Don Regiano said:

and how was/is Mametz pronounced?  I must ask a local when I next visit.

 

...and could you also ask him the meaning of the 'metz' part.

Quite common in French place names- Metz, Beaumetz, Mametz.

I assume it meand a dwelling place, or a hamlet or village or similar?

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Don Regiano

Sorry, I forgot to ask about the "metz" bit but he was insistent that the pronunciation was "Mammay"

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